Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
OLP 016: Strawberry Bros Forever
and it’s dippin' dots are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is dippin' dots
i carry your dippin' dots with me(i carry them in
my heart)
or;lex and jordan have a conversation about what it means to be neurodivergent.
Thanks for listening!
CW/TW: Mental health, ADHD, explicit language, loud noises, yelling, rambling, mouth noises, garbled speech, bleeped swears, singing, discussion of food, brief mention of covid-19 vaccines, bodily functions, IBS
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Speaker 2:Hi, I'm Jordan and I'm Lex and we are back at it again at the crispy cream. Yeah. Welcome back to the for brains podcast. We're still here casting it up. We still got ADHD. Yeah, we, we still definitely do. I have ADHD. We have ADHD, so good. So good. Okay. Well, thanks for around[inaudible] okay. So, uh, it's been a time y'all about a month to be precise. It, yeah, it's been a month and boy, has it been a month? Yeah, just some like quick insight, you know, like we, we want to maintain like some boundaries as you know, like between our private life and what we talk about on the podcast. It may not seem like that, but we do, we do have boundaries that we don't cross on, on recording. So I'm going to keep it brief, but like I had a bad month and we felt both of us that it was important to give space to that. And talk about that a little bit before just jumping back in like this wasn't a, like, we're gonna take a break so we can come back with surprises. It was like, uh, I need a break from everything, please. Dear God. And then Jordan was like, yeah. And then took that opportunity to like start some other cool for y'all. So that was like, it was a two birds, one stone. We both kind of needed the chance in different ways to get our feet back under us. Yes, yes. That's what we've been doing, but we're happy to be back. Yeah, for sure. Very happy to be back. You know, we are still the, as I said, for brains podcast that, you know, in love or at least like have heard of maybe, and don't hate now 100% more. Yeah. No brain cell only. Just. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, that was, that was a pretty. Yes. And on my part, we're going to do the puns right off the bat. I see. Listen, I don't know why you're giving me that face or that attitude because you're normally the one that comes with that punny energy. So I feel like I'm long overdue. That's a balanced, the scales here. That's fast. The real reason I wanted, I hate this. You wanted to work on the marketing for our podcast. Well, I studied the pond and that's what you got. Okay. Listen, are you gonna be mad about the pond? Are you gonna like rag on the pun? Like who's, who's stopping the essay and now, huh? Theater degree person. Hmm. I thought you were a bachelor of the arts theater. I'm a bachelor of the arts. Excuse you. Sorry. Bachelor fine. Arts BFA.
Speaker 3:Oh, well I want to be super clear that I am not the person who said no, it's a BFA in this situation. Yeah. I just, I just, I put on the record that I don't ever want to be that person.
Speaker 2:I thought you would. So I did it for you when you, didn't
Speaker 3:Not great for my brand. Oh, well your
Speaker 2:Brand is pretty well solidified. I'd say, I think we're both pretty, uh, we've dug our proverbial graves and we are in them
Speaker 3:Climbing back out to make a podcast for you
Speaker 2:Honestly say we can just like take a nap. Like we're just chilling down there. I'm just vibing. Cause still make a podcast and probably actually better to do the podcasts in the graves. Probably great insulation. This is true. This is a lot of dirt that we can just like touch while recording two dudes.[inaudible]
Speaker 3:Five feet apart. Cause they're separate graves built
Speaker 2:In worms in the walls. Pap Saget,
Speaker 3:The set. There we go. It all comes back around.
Speaker 2:It all comes back around. Yeah. So welcome back. Thanks for your patience. I'm sure y'all get it. I don't know anyone in my life. Who's not burnt out right now. So thanks for your patience. And if you're upset with us, I'm sort of sorry, but not really
Speaker 3:Because maybe, maybe you should find a crave and take a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like not in the threatening way that that was implied. Like within the context of our earlier bit. Yes. Do lawyers please do take note bleeds, be quiet. That was not a violence. It was a take a nap. Yeah. So all that said, I just wanted to be transparent about why we decided to go on a break and I just really needed a little bit of time. And you know, Jordan said too that we, we both just needed to come up for air as they say. So with that though, Jordan did do some really cool, you know, over our hiatus and has some other stuff planned, like did a lot of brainstorming and creativity, sorta things. Cause she's so cool. Um, so, so now you get to listen to her, tell you all these really cool things and um, I'm personally very excited of you very much. And I am still very happy to be doing a podcast with you.
Speaker 3:I love you too. Thank you for that. Very, very kind introduction. Hey bro.
Speaker 2:I feel like, Hey bro, I love you. I love you too bro. Sick buddy. Nice buddy. Okay. Anyways,
Speaker 3:I feel like I'm going to be a little disappointing now coming in and being like, yeah. So we made a bunch of spreadsheets last year.
Speaker 2:It's like, okay. I know people are like actually showed taste of music is my love language, no, making a really sexy spreadsheet like that is Jordan's love language horrifically. It is it's that? It's the boxes. It's the organization. It's the formulas.
Speaker 3:It's the being able to color code and outsource having to make sense of information. I can also, but I love that for you kind of redeeming myself for getting a BFA is having some Excel skills too. But anyways, I did make a lot of Excel spreadsheets. We have some cool things coming at you first and foremost, by the time this episode drops, we will have all of our transcripts up for every single episode. So those will be available on our Buzzsprout site. Those will be available as well on a brand shiny new section of our website where we will have those as well as other news about what we're up to about other things that are going on in the ADHD world about other podcasts that we get are
Speaker 2:Roadrunner. We're going to have our networking is just going to be right out there in the open. You'll see who's come on our podcast and you'll see if we're going on someone else's podcast. We will feature exciting news like that. Like when we get a new guest or when we post a tick talk, cause we do also have a tech talk. I forgot about that one. Well, I'm the one in charge of it. Now this is true, which is true. I don't know what Jordan was thinking. Jordan asked me to run the TechTalk and that's on them. So like y'all know that. I just need everyone to know that Jordan did give me control of the tech talk
Speaker 3:And I stand by it because it's a bold move on your part. Take talk is a chaos zone and you are a chaos deity. Oh, well thank you. You're so welcome. I love you,
Speaker 2:Bro. I love you so much, bro. Anyways, so yeah. Anything else exciting you want to further away? Or should we, uh, hop right on over to our favorite station?
Speaker 3:Is it our favorite stage? I mean education station. It's a good station.
Speaker 2:I love the dopamine trampoline. That's not a station. It's a trampoline. That's true. It's true. Like if it's like bits of our podcast. Yeah, no, not my fav to be Frank. So it's kind
Speaker 3:Of our favorite station by default. I'll take it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like the only station. So it's also our least favorite station. We could come up with another station. Maybe. I don't know. Just tell me what we're learning today though. Oh, let's just go. Let's do that part. Let's get we are at the station. Yes. Okay. Okay. And we do like it here,
Speaker 3:Here, and today at the station at the education station, we are going to be diving into the question. What is neurodiversity? Ooh. Yeah, it's a big question. And non-key boy, it is a very, very hefty hefty boy. And it's not a question that actually has concrete answers yet, but we thought that it's worth discussing because a it's a term that is super, super commonly used and thrown around, especially in communities like the ADHD and neurodivergent Twitter community, um, line other, other places that are not Twitter as well. The other websites that I know all of the names of
Speaker 2:The rest of the internet, whatever that may be. Yeah. I personally really liked the neurodivergent community on Neo pets. I bet you do.
Speaker 3:And also because it is autism acceptance month, it is, we felt worth the time to sort of acknowledge the roots of the neurodiversity movement and give a little bit more history on where that came from. And then we, as a community can have a better idea of where it's going.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, I'm in it. I'm excited. Let's do this. Hit me with that snare. Okay. Thank you. And now, now do hit me with information.
Speaker 3:Yes. So the word neurodiversity, as you can probably guess by the parts of it means different brains and more specifically, it means a way of viewing people who have, what are otherwise seen as neurological disabilities. Uh, this originally started with autism, but now often includes, uh, dyslexia, dyspraxia, dyscalculia, uh, OCD, other things like ADHD as well, viewing all of those things as a normal and valuable difference in brain structure rather than a disability. So that builds in sort of a two-fold perspective of articulating that those ways of thinking and behaving and having your brain be are just different and not lesser. And also a huge component of neurodiversity in the neurodiverse movement is advocating for accommodations, for people to function in quote unquote neuro-typical society rather than like cures. And that ties into the social model of disability, which is viewing it as a symptom of the way that society is built as not having accommodations versus society being the right and natural thing and people who are neurodiverse, just being wrong for it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. So I guess, uh, I have questions and I know we can get into it, but basically, or let me see if I can give you like the watered down version of everything you just said, please do. Okay. Neurodiversity, when it comes down to it is, uh, something that is used as an identifier for people who have brains that are different from what society considers quote unquote normal. Yes. So different brains. It sounds pretty cut and dry, but I know that that it's not, I know that that's not the case.
Speaker 3:It does kind of do what it says on the 10 of course there are some pros and cons pros are that just taking a non pathologizing approach to viewing these things rather than calling them disorders, looking at it through that social model as really conducive to empowering people and removing that stigma and advocating for accommodations. It is an opportunity to view diversity in brain structure and function as having the same potential for cultural enrichment and creative potential as other types of diversity. So like in other situations where we want a diverse set of viewpoints and those enrich the conversation and those are important and necessary adding diversity of the way that your brain functions is also valuable. In that sense, there are cons as well. I mean, some people, especially in the autistic community I've read, uh, which is where this concept originated, feel like this doesn't truly represent people who have higher support needs because people argue that accommodations and the way society is built is a factor. But when people physically can't live on their own and need support, that's harder, I guess, for them to see that as a societal thing. So people feel like it falls short of really representing of that experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No, I mean, neurodiversity is a spectrum. That's why it's not just different brain from like the standard it's diverse in and of itself as well. Yeah, absolutely. Which I think leads to a lot of confusion like myself included as to who is and who is not neurodivergent who can claim that, who can't. I think that sometimes, especially like in our very online sort of society and culture right now that can be kind of hard to parse, right? Because like I've seen a lot of people assume that neurodivergent means that you literally have any sort of different brain. And that includes like anxiety disorders, major depressive disorder. Like, and I personally don't know what the correct quote unquote answer is. Like I've talked about this before. Like I think that labels are helpful, but not always necessary and not always are like, they can be helpful to a point, but everything has pros and cons and anyways, so, but I do think there is a lot of confusion about like, is neurodiversity just for people on like the spectrum of autism and ADHD and dyslexia, or does it include quote unquote, like the rest of the mental disorders and mental illnesses? I don't know. So, so I think that would be like one question that I'd have for you and like what your research showed. Cause like I know that culturally there seems to be a lot of different ideas about what neurodiversity means it is. And I'm assuming it was similar in research, but I was curious if you did find anything neat.
Speaker 3:Let's say I sh I sure wish that I had an answer for you that was cut and dry, but I don't. And my guess just from my research is mostly just because this is, I was surprised to learn. This is actually a fairly new movement. This is a fairly new way of defining and categorizing. And this is a fairly new lens to view those experiences from the term neurodivergent or neurodiverse was coined in 1998.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, you say that it hasn't been that long. That is over two decades.
Speaker 3:It is, but that's like literally the first time this word appeared in print and yeah,
Speaker 2:I, I guess with all our talk of like the DSM and how ADHD wasn't even called ADHD in 1998. So I don't know, it makes sense to me, but it is weird that like neurodivergent like different brain. Hasn't been like, like scientifically used elsewhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah. That's fair. I think, I mean, obviously I'm not like a sociologist or anything, but I think part of the difference is that because it's a part of disability rights it's gone at the pace that disability rights has, not at the pace that modern psychiatry has.
Speaker 2:Like, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised, I guess is like the yeah. That's
Speaker 3:But yeah, so it was coined in 1998 by a sociologist named Judy singer who herself identifies us on the autistic spectrum. We love and respect self-diagnosis in this house and was originally defined as a way of understanding differences in the human brain regarding socio ability, learning attention, mood, and other mental function. So those are kind of the criteria they were looking at neurodivergence on and as well, there is sort of a scientific component of all of those things that fall under the category of neurodivergent. As we understand often, like there are studies to suggest that there is actually the physical difference in brain structure. So part of it is rooted in that from the sociological perspective of Judy singer, those are kind of the elements of this person experiences this, or does this, or has different capabilities in these elements are considered narrative over. And she wrote a book and in her book said for me, the key difference of the autism spectrum lies in its call for anticipation of a politics of neurological diversity or neurodiversity, the neurologically different represent a new addition to the familiar political category of class, gender, and race, and will augment the insights of the social model of disability. So it came out of specifically the autistic community and specifically like autism advocacy and specifically a perspective of viewing things through the social model of disability. So that's like the history of it, but in the original definition, by Judy singer, it's the sociability, the learning attention mood are the things that she names. Yeah. Does that answer your
Speaker 2:I shouldn't at all? Yeah, no. I think that helps to see like where the movement originated. Right. And where it makes sense. Why different people think different things about it. Yeah. Also, sorry. I'm like sweating because of how much cramping is happening right now. I'm so sorry. So sorry. I'm like, I'm good. I'm ready to soldier on. But like, I just want to let you know, like, that's why I'm like not being funny and quippy. Cause I am a little bit like, Oh, we'll get through this through this. Like my, I can like feel sweat dripping down my face right now. That's really gross. Where am I know it's like a big part of it is just like, ouch. Yeah. We're very close to the end of the education station or someone to let you know that. Like, I don't hear you. This is great. And I'm having a, I'm having a good time right now, but like not because of the podcast. Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't know. What did you eat? Oh, I mean, Oh, Oh. Cause I've had that like a couple of times over the past, like month and this hasn't happened, but I got one of the grilled cheeses from Starbucks. Like I've had a couple of those over the past month. Oh bro. Was it the McFlurry? I don't want it to be the Murray. So bro, he hurt bro. Oh buddy. Thanks buddy. In case this ends up in some context I'm allergic to dairy, but I really love it. Yeah. I can't blame you there bud. And I ate just, just straight dairy. Yeah,
Speaker 3:Sure did. But yeah, you had a grilled sheet. It's probably a combination of the grilled cheese and the McFlurry and the pheta um, although fetish sheep's milk in them. It
Speaker 2:Uh, no, it depends.
Speaker 3:It might've been, yeah. Anyways, let's, let's, let's finish this podcast. You don't have to suffer in sweat. Um, it's also definitely worth noting that a lot of credit is also due to Jim Sinclair who is currently alive and active autism advocate. They were one of the first people to publicly articulate the idea that autism should be viewed as a difference rather than a disease. They also were one of the original founders of the autism network international. So that's pretty dope credit where credit is due. Yeah. So that's basically the history of where the term neurodivergent comes from because of its relative youth in the field of mental health. I think that that's a huge contributor to why we're still kind of working out a definition and feeling out what that encompasses and what that means in practical application. But it's the general view that differences in brain structure and the differences in behavior that they cause are just a natural human genetic variation and not a disease or a disorder or something to cure. And I think it's cool too, that practically speaking this idea of neurodivergency helps create a lot of
Speaker 2:This idea of neuro-diversity sorry. Thank you.
Speaker 3:I knew I was going to get it wrong is this idea of neurodiversity helps create a lot of, sort of like intergroup solidarity and it's very practically like advocates for accommodations and actual tangible things you can do to not only make life easier for neurodivergent people, but make their contribution to society more valued. And also I think it has a lot of like emotional help too in that concept fighting against the stigma of these things. So that's what I got. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. It's great to hear some more like concrete history about it. Cause I know for my part, like you on Twitter and you look around and people are just like, I don't want to say throwing the word around irresponsibly cause I don't want to speak for other people
Speaker 3:Super clear. Yes. Unless you want to really like stick your hands into that moon sand. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes. And I think the fact that a lot of times it's sort of just like thrown out like D like I'm I have some sort of disorder or mental illness or disability, or just have a different brain, you know, and this is a good catch all term for it, but I know that it wasn't necessarily created as a catch all term. So there's some conflict there. I think that people who are smarter than me have, have addressed and have like talked about, I think, um, but that was like a big thing that I noticed when I was like trying to get a read on what we would sort of be digging into right. With this episode. And like, I know we're not like really digging super deep cause it's just the two of us pea brains just doing our best. And that
Speaker 3:Told certainly a different brain. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And truth be told I have IBS and I'm allergic to dairy and I did make the tragic mistake of eating a McFlurry a few hours ago and that invoice has come in. That bill is due. So I do, I do apologize dear audience, that I'm not a super sunshiny and full of gifts, but Jordan can tell you, my face is just like sweaty right now.
Speaker 3:I can't actually tell you that cause it's very dark in this blanket for it. But I believe you when you say it. Yeah, no I'm the blessing and the curse of it finally warming up in Chicago. Yes. Anyways, we can, we can keep this going and our hope too, regardless of how much you're about to poop yourself is that this is the beginning of a conversation. Not the be all end. All of it. So hell yeah. We'll keep that going, but tell me what you are feeling.
Speaker 2:Oh, do you mean like what's giving me dope mean or do you mean like about neurodiversity?
Speaker 3:I mean, did you have other thoughts on inherit diversity that you wanted to share?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm feeling pretty good about everything you just told me. I feel smarter for that. So thanks. So welcome. I always love to add information into my abyssal hole of a brain where things just go to die. So it is kind of nice to add something new and fresh in there
Speaker 3:Wondering where you were going to go with that phrase, but I'm glad it was a Bissell hole of a brain. So I mean,
Speaker 2:When it really comes down to it, I guess I'm feeling as someone with ADHD and I've never been diagnosed with autism. And I am not at a point where I feel comfortable self-diagnosing myself with autism, but I do have a lot of like those shared traits and some traits that are autism specific. I do have some of those sometimes they're not sometimes like, so I feel pretty confident in like, just from having ADHD, but also just like adding all that little flavoring in that little flavor packet of
Speaker 3:Ramen seasoning on over that ADHD.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yeah. All that. I, I feel pretty confident in saying that I am neuro diverse. Yeah. So it's cool to learn about the history of that and learn a little bit more of the context there, but it is also like I still, even though like I am in that included in the definitions that we've talked about, I still am like, well, I don't know. And then I think that's just me being skiddish of like wanting to commit to like labels or, and not to sound hippy to be about it. I just literally like things change so often and words change so often that I'm just like sometimes labels just make me feel like I'm being performative about everything. And like I know that there's philosophically something to be said about a lot of existence being performative, but that's a completely different, uh that's that's not even this podcast. That's a separate podcast entirely, probably. So, um, Oh God, that sounds dumb. I guess all that said the feeling that is coming from my brain and the words that I'm saying as I'm processing them out loud with you and our beloved audience. Um, confusion. Okay. But like just like a healthy dose, a healthy dose of confusion. Okay. Does that make sense? Like everything you said makes sense. That's cool. I learn new things and I think what you S you know what you said of like, there's no clear answer, there's still no clear answer and we, we can't provide that. And so like, yup. So there's still that sort of like, okay, okay. But we're not psychiatrists, are we sure aren't fancy brain docs or shirt or anything? So I feel pretty. Okay. And just sitting in that, like,
Speaker 3:That's definitely a lot to think about how are you feeling? My initial reaction is kind of along those same lines of what it means to define or seek a diagnosis for ADHD in terms of, I understand some purposes of a diagnosis, but if you feel like the tools help you, if you feel like the community makes you feel supported, if you feel like that's working for you, then like nice, nice. But I feel the same way about like identifying as narrow divergent, I guess. Cause I'm certainly not the sort of person who can say like, yes you are or no, you are not. Yeah. Hi. Yes. The queen of neurodiversity night.
Speaker 2:Yes. Or autism, the divergency period. Yeah. Well what kind of costume was that as a period costumes? Oh yeah. It's actually from the divergency. It's like solar punk, but like kind of it's like solar punk, but mostly tinfoil. Sorry that got me because I was like, stupid. Thanks bro. Nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. You got something?
Speaker 2:Yeah. What, what yeah. Anything else? Or should we do some mountain lats? Boom. How many songs? How many RD copyrighted songs are we going to bring this, this episode? Oh, I was just imitating genre.
Speaker 3:Uh, imitating. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Let's hop on over. What do you got for the dopamine trampoline on our triumphant return to bond casting?
Speaker 2:Well, this is a short and sweet DT on my part. Uh, I thought about maybe bringing, you know, some things that I've really gotten into like, uh, animal crossing and I finally got to switch. So I got into animal crossing, uh, or, you know, survivor, I really have gotten into survivor. It is a hot mess and it's a bad show, but I roll boy. Howdy. I do enjoy it. It's such a bad show. It's so bad. I just watched the season 13 cook islands show, otherwise known as survivor, race Wars, not the actual title, but it is so bad. It is so bad. And like, I don't know. I think it's just, uh, sometimes watching reality TV just, and I think it's kind of like what a lot of people watch reality before and it's kind of like, well, at least I'm not up that bad. That's fair.
Speaker 3:Getting updates of living. Like I think the next level back of that, I keep getting updates on real Housewives of New Jersey from my coworkers. Oh, that's also a thing that we did in the month break is I got it.
Speaker 2:We did. I got the Jordan Jordan got a new job. Well, yeah. I mean, I guess I helped with moral support, but like you did get the job on your own and you're very qualified and it's awesome. It's great. Uh, and Jordan also works from home now. So when I, when I get home from work, the cats are excited to see me, but not like horrifying little goblins that haven't had attention all day. Cause there's been another person
Speaker 3:They've been horrifying goblins for attention to Jordan all day. Up until that Matt got so upset with me today because I got a new chair.
Speaker 2:This is ADHD related. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I got a new chair, got one of those kneeling chairs that you can make rock on and fidget. And it is dope as hell. But unlike my office rolly standard chair I had before, it doesn't have a back because it's dual. And that means that neg couldn't jump up on my chair and sit right behind me. Like he used to and he threw a fit. He threw a fit in the sunroom and was mowing and like pacing around the room and like,
Speaker 2:Like did he try to climb up and then realize it was your back?
Speaker 3:He didn't try and climb up, but he would like reach up on the back of the stool and like reach up, like he was trying to get up, but couldn't, and kept doing that until I pulled over the old office chair right next to me, for him to sit in while I worked.
Speaker 2:So yeah. So that's, that's,
Speaker 3:That's been my life recently. That's what I got.
Speaker 2:But what do you got, what do you got for us? I'm sorry. Sorry. I, I mean, I was sort of just, I was going to do something and then I was like, you know what? That takes a lot of effort and we just got off a break. So I don't know about y'all, but like I don't write my best essays right after spring break. You know what I mean? Um, so short and sweet. I got, uh, my Christmas stocking this month because I hadn't seen my family for seven months and I was finally able to safely go visit, um, and meet my nephew who had been born in that time period. Uh, it was, it was awesome. It was awesome. A great time and I really needed that. Um, but that's it, I got my stocking and Christmas presents and birthday presents and like all the things that had been missed right. Over the past seven months and in my stocking where like some candy things, some small gift things. And like one thing was just this pack of like 10 different chapsticks. And it wasn't like a giant like bulk Costco pack of Burt's bees or something. It was like some off-brand stranger things merge. Yeah. Chapstick. And so it's just a giant pack of chapsticks.
Speaker 3:Like imagine the lip smackers yeah. Multi flavor packs for anybody who is watching a visual or like can't get their mind off with Costco. It was like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And like, imagine you see that variety pack and every single separate chapstick is a separate flavor and also has separate artwork on each thing. And you know, some Chaz sticks it's fruit or like little bees are like, honey. Wow. I'm really fixated on Burt's bees. Huh. But every chapstick has a, a different character from stranger things that
Speaker 3:Was like, honestly really impressive. No,
Speaker 2:It's it is. It is. But I look at this giant pack of chapstick in my Christmas stocking and I'm like, I mean, I do like chapstick, but I don't necessarily like I have, I have my bird species and I've got, you know, my overnight moisture stuff and yeah. So I was like, okay, maybe I should just like donate this or, you know, I'm sure there's some like little kid who would go bonkers for some stranger things, chat sticks. And so I was just going to like donate it so I didn't open it at all. Cause I was like, it's fine. And then my partner comes over and I'm showing them like all the stuff I got. And then he's like, Oh, Oh baby, you can't donate these. And I was like, why not? Is it like, I haven't opened them. Like, it should be okay. Like I figure someone's going to need it. And he goes, no, no, because you need this chapstick. And he opens the pack and he pulls a chapstick out of the, I didn't look at quite frankly. Cause I saw the, I was like, yeah, because I'm a, you know, or like me a 28 year old adult is going to carry around chapstick with children on it. Chapstick is chapstick. But then when you put it that way, it is not like you're, you're holding a, and you're rubbing it on your mouth. And like, I feel like there's, it's weird enough that there's a person on the chapstick, but like extra weird that it's just children and a fair point. And so Abraham opens the package and then pulls one out and it's a light pink color. I hadn't really noticed it. It's a light pink color. And it has, uh, David Harbor as chief of Hawkins police, uh, or favorite, you know, rogue cop. Who's a horrible cop. And for that, we love him. Uh, but uh, it's, it's good. Old chief hopper, chief Jim hopper and his season three, get up with the floral button up the really iconic yeah. Hawaiian shirt. Yes. So it's, it's a picture of him in that outfit on a pale pastel, like millennial pink tube and then get this, the flavor, the flavor root beer. So someone made a chapstick specifically tailored to my interests. Wow. This is proof that we're in a simulation, in my opinion, like a chapstick hat trick. Exactly. So I'm obsessed with this chap saying it, it doesn't taste like root beer. Really. It tastes like the root beer candies, like repair barrel candies and like it's fun. It's cool. But mostly I'm just obsessed with the fact that I have David Harbour on a chapstick now. Um, and then the other chapsticks, I depended on like the flavor, like I'm just going to take the picture. Like I realized you can just peel the picture off and it will just be like a plastic tube. So I am going to use them because I always need chapstick. But like, I'm sorry to the child that I took, all of those children chap sticks away from, but I
Speaker 3:It's your Christmas present. I feel like you're justified and using them
Speaker 2:I guess. And also, I couldn't say no to chief police
Speaker 3:It's it's David Harbour as chief of Gleason, Jim hopper and his tropical shirt, millennial pink root beer. That's like, that's really like three dopamine trampolines in one, it was like a triple bounce.
Speaker 2:People who know me in real life probably know that I am, um, inappropriately attracted to David Harbour. One might say, uh, inappropriately. So I will, I will admit to that. Um, and if for some reason you ever hear this podcast, I'm kidding, David. I'm kidding. It's completely appropriate. Let's put on the BoJack theme song, see where it takes us. So, um, there is this, my dopamine trampoline was, well, I had to just
Speaker 3:Hear that. So I don't think that there's any joy left in my body,
Speaker 2:But it's false. No, no, I do.
Speaker 3:You have a big old dopamine trampoline. This one's like an OJI one for me. It's getting warm here in Chicago. It was like 80 degrees today. It's starting to feel like summer I'm wearing shorts. And so today my dopamine trampoline is the ultimate summer. The ice cream of the future dip and dots. Yes. I love dipping dots.
Speaker 2:You do not have to convince me. I am hopping on that train with you right now.
Speaker 3:So much for everyone at home for our audience. I hope that you know how deeply, how deeply I love dependence. They're so good. And the flavors are good. Like all the flavors are good. None of them are bad. It's not like an ice cream flavor. You're like, well, that's the one I like, all of them are good. And it's just a top tier sensory experience to eat because it's the little round ice cream dots and they're good like that. And they're so cold and we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But then you get them in that little plastic cup. You're usually out at like Silverwood or the aquarium or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. For my ilk, my, my section of the country, Cedar point Cedar poles.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Silverwood for those views from the semi rural Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 2:The panhandle of Idaho. Yeah. If you're not in the 25 mile square area around,
Speaker 3:I feel like silver wood was a cultural touchstone of like Tri-Cities life and that solidly in. Okay. There aren't any closer theme. I'm sorry. I derailed you. It's okay. Anyways, you get the environment is just always good memories and it's usually warm out and then they like kind of start to melt and see you get like a slightly textured, slightly starting to melt mouth joy. And I think they're good. And also they're interesting. Like the history of Dippin dots is fascinating. They were invented in the late eighties.
Speaker 2:The guy. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like the colors.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm pretty sure everything you say about I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:It really does. You're not going to be surprised by any of this. I have a lot of fun facts. None of them are new facts, but they're all fun. Anyways, they're invented in 1987 by a guy named Kurt Jones. He was a microbiologist. He was researching how to quick freeze a yogurt bacteria for use in animal feed. That was his day job. His night, like passion, like what lit his heart, a flame in the nighttime hours was making ice cream. And I feel like it's a fairly well known thing, not just for like food science nerds, like me that like freezing ice cream with liquid nitrogen is a thing. Yeah. Yeah. So this guy, Curt Jones, like Megamind ice cream King was like, well, I got this nitrogen that I'm making cool yogurt stuff with. And I got this ice cream that I need to freeze anyways. And so he invented the process of dotting the ice cream of making different dots. Dippin dots are made. Do you know what temperature Dippin dots are made at? Just tell me, I'm not be able to guess. Negative 320 degrees.
Speaker 2:Yeah. There's no way I would have guessed that. So thank you for just coming out with it. They have to be stored
Speaker 3:At negative 40 degrees, which I believe is colder than the modern COVID vaccine. But we'll get to that too. You know what else is negative 320 degrees to put this into a little bit of context for everybody. The planet Uranus.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. We are adults with sophisticated tastes and we are very serious and eloquently. Sure. I definitely don't think that nowhere in your anus is funny[inaudible] it was like kind of a joke. I did like the jokey, like high-school stoner laugh that I can sometimes pull off, but then I was like, Oh no,[inaudible] funny.
Speaker 3:Snake kind of just stayed its own tail there. You know, it is funny and kind of a, like not high school way though, but just in like actually very sweet, charming way. The dip and dots machine as apparently called the doc bot 3000. Isn't that great. I know. Hey dot bought 3000.
Speaker 2:We're going to send you to Uranus.
Speaker 3:She makes 50 million dots a day. She deserves a vacation. She does. I'm insisting upon it. I wonder if they call it Dottie, maybe I would. I think I will. I call her daddy for a little bit of context. She makes 50 million dots a day. There are 2000 Dippin dots, approximately they don't count them out per five ounce cup. So like think of all the.work, think of all the work that Dottie did for you. I mean, it's time you eat a cup of dip and doc.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean I've never eaten Dippin dots and been like, wow, this isn't a modern Marvel. This isn't absolutely bat that I'm writing and cryogenically frozen fish, eggs painted pretty colors. That's what I like. It's there's no, there's no part of me. That's ever ingested Dippin dots and been like, this is totally normal food.
Speaker 3:There's no way to forget that. It is a miracle of modern science.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's just incredible. The flavor, the experience, the texture, the existential sort of hope that it inspires you.
Speaker 3:It's an experience. It really, it really is the ice cream of the future. It's like an ice cream of a better tomorrow. Yeah. What was the person's name again? Who invented Kurt? Joan Kurt Jones. Yes.
Speaker 2:So like Kurt Jones could get us to Mars. Elon Musk could not get us dipping dots. Yeah,
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Also can't get us to Mars. Yeah. Scanned you either.
Speaker 2:This is my funny way of on Elon Musk. Kurt Jones, unless Kurt Jones is problematic. Then in that case, I take it back covered our bases
Speaker 3:Enough. You know, it is a good business decision though. Unlike trying to go to Mars and ruining astronomy for everyone else, Didi cryogenics, which is a whole side company that Dunkin donuts, Dunkin donuts, any sideways dip and dots, which is a whole side company that Dippin dots has to sell the technology that they use to make dip in thoughts to other industries. Like they came up with something good and they shared that with the world and you can go buy like giant freezer trucks from them and they're there. So, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2:One of these, I think what you're getting to is vaccines. It's been really helpful. The dip in dip and dots technology has been lifesaving. Literally can chew on that. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 3:Let those mountain your mouth. Dang it. Well,
Speaker 2:Make sure everyone else gets, gets the vaccine and the way that it's probably needs to be administered that in your mouth. Like, but then, you know, maybe once everyone is like good to go and they have extra doses, you know, maybe you can just be like, can you just put it in my mouth? And like, I don't think you should. Well, like you could ask,
Speaker 3:I wonder if they could make vaccine and dots, they make coffee, Dippin dots. Did you know that it's called 40 below Joe? And it's just like straight espresso.
Speaker 2:I mean, like here's the thing. I know you said that the, every flavor of Dippin dots tastes the same. I wouldn't know that because I strictly only ever get the rainbow fruity ones because it's the only fruity flavor that they like almost always have everywhere and it is so good. And
Speaker 3:I do just for the sake of recording, want to say that I didn't say they all taste the same. I said they all taste good, but yes, I see.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Fruity, fruity flavors. I just like, I wouldn't even know if the other ones even tastes good cause I've never like, I believe you. I'm just letting our audience know that like I'm not an expert in this field. There is one flavor of dipping dots that I've always been true to. So like my one true love, like the childhood sweetheart. I carry dip and dots with me. I carry dipping dots in my heart or you never without dipping dots anywhere. All right. And you go, there you go.
Speaker 3:Anyways, I hate that. I knew enough of that poem to keep going. That's fine. Speaking of Dippin dots flavors though. I know you said that that's your favorite flavor, but would you say that like that's the flavor
Speaker 2:You are? I mean, I guess I don't really know. Do you want to find out, can I be assigned dipping dots?
Speaker 3:You sure? Can I have a dad scientific and Tufts flavor?
Speaker 2:Hey Deb. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 3:Fab. And there's a fab. Um, but yes. Good news for everybody. There is a what Dippin dots flavor are you? Personality quiz on the dip and dots site. Okay. So this is official. Cool. Cool. There are not that many questions, but I'll take these through and you just tell them,
Speaker 2:Okay. I'll just go with my gut reaction. I won't be like trying to get a certain flavor also. I don't even know like what you do.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I dunno. You don't know what the results are. Number one. What would you do if you saw your crush at the mall with someone else? One assume they're just friends to pour the rest of your drink over their head. Three freak out and call your best friend four. Confront them on the spot or five. Who cares? I'm hotter. Thank you.
Speaker 2:It was my crush at the mall. Okay. I'm going to go with hypothetical crush because yeah, this would be reading, go to malls right now. And this would just be a wild thing for me. Cause like, if it was my partner, I would just assume they were with like one of their many friends. Yeah. You know, let's go with like confront them on the spot. I'm going to be true to myself.
Speaker 3:Okay. Question two. The movie you wanted to see a sold out. What do you do? One storm out in a hut to call the police.
Speaker 2:Not that one.
Speaker 3:No three. Oh wow. Pick another movie for refuse to leave until they give you a ticket or five flirt with anyone who has a ticket.
Speaker 2:Well, pick another movie. Relax. Why are these are so angry.
Speaker 3:Okay. Number three. Your phone dies in the middle of an important text and you can't find the charger. Do you throw your phone across the room? No. Biggie. I'll just talk to them later. Three blame everyone in your house for stealing your charger for flip your house upside down until you find your charger or lastly borrow a charger from someone else.
Speaker 2:I mean, okay. I guess the first step for me would be borrow a charger from someone else, but then I probably would move on to flipping the house upside down, trying to find it. So let's go with borrower charger though. Cause like, if it's an important car, like in that moment, I'm just gonna be like, Hey, can I borrow a charger? Like I have an iPhone that seems like it doesn't have a iPhone charger. So one reasonable response. Well, I mean like no big deal. I'll talk to him later too. Like that's also fine.
Speaker 3:That's also fine. Next question. How do you react when your team loses the big game? Oh boy. One. Don't worry. We'll get them next time to unplug your TV and cry. Three. This team steward. Pick another four. Yell at the TV until your throat sore because of a bad call. I hope you don't do that. You need your voice. We have a podcast or lastly, get on Twitter. The world must feel your Fiori.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I have this one. I have a concrete answer. It is yelling at the TV until my throat is sore because of a bad call. It is listen, listen watching Mexico in the world cup, uh, 2018, I think. And I think it was like the France game. There was just so lot happening. And I remember being like, sorry, anyways, I just have to, I have to answer it. I said I'd answer it with my gut. That's true to you. Yeah. Okay. Question
Speaker 3:Five. Someone runs into you and spills their drink all over your new shirt. Side note. I think all of these are plots of episodes of Lizzie Macquire but do you punch that? Jerks? Lights out. Say no problem, bruh. It'll walk, go and buy a new one or yell at them and make them cry.
Speaker 2:I guess it depends on what kind of drink. I mean, okay. It depends on like, if I would just be like, I'm just going to get into your shirt or like it'll wash out. Cause if it's not something that won't wash out, then I wouldn't just be like, that's not a problem, but like I'm not going to yell at them and make them cry. And I'm not going to pick up on,
Speaker 3:Let's say like a slushie, like glee
Speaker 2:Style, someone just, just Oh, okay. Um, I would probably okay. Again, I'm not trying to paint myself as a bad person, but like for going on gut instinct, I would probably yell at them. They might cry as a result, but I can at least commit to yelling at them.
Speaker 3:Cor correlation may not imply causation there. Yeah. Okay. Question six. You get 50 bucks for your birthday. What do you do with it? One below and all to complain those cheapskates didn't give you enough. Three stash them BAMS. And it's important to note here that bans is spelled with a Z it's silly bands. I thought it meant like cash bands. You know, like the rubber bands he wrapped around chunks of cat or silly bands.
Speaker 2:I mean, it seems directed at children, so, Oh, what's that last one?
Speaker 3:Rub it in your friend's faces.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm going to say stash them band stash them. Yeah. I'm just going to go on the assumption. That silly bands. That's the type of I would spend my money on
Speaker 3:So far, you're playing an intermural game of Dodge ball. What's your game plan to not be there. Okay. Throw it as hard as you can and hit the suckers in the face. Hide behind the big guy, take a hit for your best friends so they can stay in or take the first hits you can be through with this nonsense.
Speaker 2:Absolutely take the first hit so I can be through it. This nonsense. This isn't even a hypothetical. This happened all the time in high school where like I was friends with a lot of jocks. And so I would like get out really early so that I could like help throw the balls back to their side and stuff. Like, there you go. I worked the things that I was
Speaker 3:Better at. So we know that this is a really authentic answer then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, cause it definitely happened multiple times and I hate Dodge ball. What the hell? Like kickball. I can stomach, but Dodge ball. You just beat the out of other people, but with balls. And like, while I respect that personally, it's not my forte. When it comes to like hurting people, using a plasticky rubbery ball. That's not my
Speaker 3:Well, that, that makes sense because your result is stubborn, cautious, but ambitious, you stand your ground. Don't let anybody tell you what to do. You're a cautious decision maker, but you stick to your guns and let everybody know it. You are mint chocolate. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. I got strawberry. Oh that's and this is the strawberry description. Kind of read me for a little bit of
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean like that felt kind of like a horoscope to me where it's like, I can find things that I'm like. Yeah. But like, okay.
Speaker 3:Uh, strawberries was Aw, sweet strawberry. You are the bestest best friend ever
Speaker 2:Others. The benefit remains to be seen. Nevermind then. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Give others the benefit of the doubt. Love you too. No matter how things
Speaker 4:My strawberry bro, I love you too. Strawberry strawberry bro.
Speaker 3:Might not always go your way, but you know that it'll all work out in the end, which I think for this podcast, it is the end. So that's all I had for my dopamine trampling. How
Speaker 2:We asked strawberry bros forever.
Speaker 4:John Perry, bros forever bro eight bro liver.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry.
Speaker 3:I didn't mean to injure you bro. It's
Speaker 2:Okay. I was just like, aha. I have the same range as Jim Sturgis and across the universe. And then you were like[inaudible] anyways, thank you all so much for coming back to join us on this. And I say this again and with all the love in my heart, for brains podcast where we still do in fact have for brains. And I mean, I still think there's quite a lot to offer despite the brains. So if you agree, leave review, interact with us. So she has, that was another thing
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