Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
OLP 015: The Hoo-Ha Episode
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In this episode of Or, Learn Parkour: Jordan & Lex do their best to clean up a bloody mess- understanding why menstrual cycles can make your ADHD feel so much worse. Join us for the usual tips, tricks, and sweet flips, plus a little bit of science and a lot of just vibes.
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CW/TW: Mental health, ADHD, explicit language, loud noises, yelling, in-depth discussion of menstruation and related anatomy, blood, medical inequity, houselessness, rambling, mouth noises, singing, bleeped swears
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Cover art by: Krizia Perito
Theme: There Is A Dark Place
Wholehearted Production Co.
Sources:
https://www.additudemag.com/women-hormones-and-adhd/
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/the-menstrual-cycle
https://www.additudemag.com/adhd-neuroscience-101/
https://chadd.org/adhd-weekly/hormonal-fluctuations-affect-womens-adhd-symptoms-part-one/
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Speaker 2And this is or learn power Corp. It's a podcast
Speaker 3About ADHD. Most of the time, some of the time, occasionally generous estimation on my part, but it is technically a podcast about attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,
Speaker 2But it definitely is always as you probably have already guessed podcasts by two people with ADHD. Hello? Hello. Hi.
Speaker 3This is some smooth jazz you're bringing us yet again.
Speaker 2I don't know. I just, the microphone brings out something in me like radio days, just straight surface.
Speaker 3No, you put on the headphones, you put yourself in front of the microphone and then you're like, Hmm.
Speaker 2Hello. This is Jr. Coming at ya on this hot summer night.
Speaker 3I wish that were me. It's so not hot and it's not summer and it's not nighttime. And I wish it was all three of those things
Speaker 2I do too. A girl can dream, I guess, I guess. But it is daytime and it is cold
Speaker 3That has been to be fair, but it is still like in the forties.
Speaker 2It is still in the forties and there's still snow up to my on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 3Yeah. Yeah. Even with the melting, they're still just like mountains, like six foot tall mountains all around the
Speaker 2It's the most snow I've ever seen that you can't do anything with
Speaker 3You mean like, as compared to like, if you've gone to like a ski resort or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2Even like making snowmen in the yard or something, snow related sports and games.
Speaker 3For some reason, I thought you were going to say crimes, snow related crimes.
Speaker 2Not doing those. Oh no, never, never, no related crimes. I don't even know what that would be. What is snide? I don't even know what you could do with an icicle. Like they melt you, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 3Hey, you know, that would actually be a pretty tight a weapon, you know?
Speaker 2Well, icicle really? I never thought of that.
Speaker 3Hi, I'm FBI. It's me a narc. I got something to report. Just kidding. I would never do that. Okay.
Speaker 2I would say speaking of things that are not true. You're not an artist.
Speaker 3Absolutely not. Snitches get stitches.
Speaker 2You heard it here. Not first, but definitely not the last time. Yeah.
Speaker 3No, not first, not last. You just, you did hear it. You did hear it. What are we talking about today?
Speaker 2Crimes, but not crimes, not Grimes
Speaker 3And
Speaker 4Also not Grimes. Nobody needs any more of that energy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah. We are. Uh, some people might consider what we're talking about today, criminal in that it causes some suffering for some people there is blood involved. There is blood involved. That's true. Oh yeah. Big, big, big TW today for blood and guts and stuff. Cause we are talking about menstruation. What did you say? Like a Muppet sex ed shot. No, no menstruation.
Speaker 4A gargoyle
Speaker 3Menstruation. Menstrual cycles. Menstruation Menzies. Menzies. I was like onesies for men. Sure. So we are talking about periods.
Speaker 4Yes we are. We are talking about ADHD and periods to be specific how it did it did it did
Speaker 3Pop
Speaker 4Up. We can probably can't do much more of that music because it's copyright.
Speaker 3No, I was going with the like data. Did it do like the like play it out sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4Right, right, right, right, right. Straight, straight, Mario.
Speaker 3Yeah. Nintendo please. Don't hurt us. Nintendo. Nintendo. I have plenty of bicycles to please tend to boy. I have a cat meets Tendo. Hmm, cool.
Speaker 4I'm Jordan. And this is Orland park war.
Speaker 3Are you done now? Does that your way of just signing off the podcast?
Speaker 4That's a good way of starting the podcast as a[inaudible]. Oh, because your dad now.
Speaker 3Oh wow. Not even like a eulogy, not even what you just jumped right back into. I mean, I guess I shouldn't be
Speaker 4The show must go on. I thought was wrong.
Speaker 3Yeah. That's true. Yeah. You got, you got me there. Um, yeah, no, we are both people who menstruate and have ADHD and it can severely when severely yeah. I forgot what I was going to say. Tight hype. Sweet, sweet, sick, sick buddy. I'm sorry. Go on. Yeah. Okay. So like as two people who both menstruate and have ADHD, we know, uh, in our own personal experience and I guess I'll speak just to my experience, but I know that Jordan can relate to this as well. When the two things mixed together, sometimes it's, um, AKA, like whenever I'm on my period, uh, my ADHD impacts that whole situation in my pants a little bit. It's bad news bears a lot of it and it can be rough. It can be tough. It can be sometimes not enough. Um, yeah, in my defense, I just got home from work and I was like, all right, let's put up the blanket Fort and let's go, let's do a podcast about periods. Come on.
Speaker 4That's what we're doing. No, it's great. So please keep this energy coming. I'm very into it.
Speaker 2Like you're bringing a lot to the table and I appreciate you. I just want you to know that
Speaker 3The little, the footstool that the mic sits on. Yep.
Speaker 2Yes, it is very cute. Footstool. Facebook marketplace has a little box. It does
Speaker 3Like Jordan does not hide weed in there.
Speaker 2You're just going to say like Jordan and I was like,
Speaker 3Whoa, no, yikes. That's some projection there. But I think, cause I was just like Jordan, not Jordan. Doesn't use the high drugs, but do you hide icicles?
Speaker 2Well, we can open it and see afterwards, but I don't think there's going to be anything in there.
Speaker 3Okay. Well now you're now I'm now I'm the one who's probably going to have to host the Salone because Jordan will, will probably be arrested soon because she's a serial killer. So, um,
Speaker 2I am a serial killer. Put down some special K the other day.
Speaker 3Sick buddy. Thanks buddy. What kind of special? K?
Speaker 2It was like a Brown sugar protein crunch situation. Cool, cool. Yeah. No, it was really good. I don't like cereal that has chopped nuts in it. So I got that one instead. That's a lot of the other ones. I'd like almonds. Yeah.
Speaker 3That's fair. Yeah. I like the special K with the dried strawberry. So it was pretty good. It was pretty tight, but my cereal is, you know, and now the rest of the world will know is just peanut butter, chocolate Cheerios, because it tastes like peanut butter crunch or Reese puffs, you know, like peanut buttery, but not actually like peanut butter. Cause I hate peanut butter and I hate peanuts, but peanut butter flavored candy type things. That's different.
Speaker 2It doesn't include actual Reese's cups.
Speaker 3Yeah. So I love Reese's puffs, but they are a little unhealthy. And so I've been trying to substitute things that are not healthy, but not quite as unhealthy. So I switched it with peanut butter, chocolate Cheerios,
Speaker 2Right on, right on. Now I know what we're doing after this[inaudible]
Speaker 3I don't know why I said that. Like the, like a wrestling answer. Um, well I'll just say like, is it Eustace? Thanks Eustis from courage, cowardly dog. But I can't remember. I don't think that's how he talks, but I feel like I just sounded like a cartoon character old man.
Speaker 2I hear it. Yeah. Kids get off my lawn Burke. In my day we had to walk up Hills school, both ways
Speaker 3Coughs included you're welcome.
Speaker 2This is a really authentic experience. Anyways, if you just heard that smacking noise, Ned has joined us in the studio because we were doing something that is not giving him attention.
Speaker 3And he definitely just used his fat flat pancake cat to push a spot open where he could lay. And it did indeed hit Jordan's cup.
Speaker 2It did. Yep. Oh, now he's rolling on his back so you can see how soft his tummy is. I know, but I know. Oh, excuse you. You do a little bit.
Speaker 3Oh. Oh, owl out now. Now owl owl just latched on with his back claws
Speaker 4Or are you like this bud? Well, time stops for no cap. So what do we want to say about periods?
Speaker 3Well, so correct me if I'm wrong, but uh, Jordan, I believe has some education station curriculum for us. And then I've got some school of hard knocks curriculum for ya. This is true. So basically Jordan's doing the science. I'm doing the, I dunno the tips tricks don't know. So I guess Jordan's doing the sweet flips.
Speaker 4We can collab on the sweet flip. Cool. So
Speaker 3You're doing tips, I'm doing tricks.
Speaker 4I thought you were doing tricks tips and we were both doing sweet
Speaker 3Foot, but then what are you doing? Cause that's all we got was tips, tricks and sweet flips. Solar was doing science. I'm so lost. I know you are doing science, but like, Oh the tips, tricks and sweet flips. Where does that fall in? And that's what I was like, sweet flips is probably, you know, science like bill and I, you know, I bet bill and I and Tony Hawk would be, you know, shred together. I would actually, can you, can you do that Tony Hawk,
Speaker 4Mr. Nye, have your people get in contact with our people please. I am begging.
Speaker 3Yeah. I mean, or just like get in touch with each other's people you don't need to involve us if you know, I get it. We're pretty new to the AA scene.
Speaker 4We have, we do have our own sweet lips. We can bring to the table, but
Speaker 3Not as sweet as their flips
Speaker 4Does though. G suite flips. Those are the sweetest of flips.
Speaker 3Yeah. Let's honor them and do some science learning.
Speaker 4All right. Let me, uh, put on my metaphorical bow tie here. Uh, do a little bit of science and uh, let's head on over to the menstruation education station, right?
Speaker 3The men, men straight men station men station menstruation, station administration, education station, demonstration station. Now demonstration education station. That is not good for rolling off the tongue. It's not as easy to say. We need to, we need to make it sweeter. You need to make it shorter.
Speaker 4[inaudible] okay. Well, no, that's just nonsense. Your face is nonsense. Yeah. Fair enough. I'm going to give you a little quick overview of how periods work and then we're going to talk a little bit about what specifically that has to do with ADHD and how the period hormones and the brain chemicals do their little dosey DOE to make your life help. Generally speaking, the menstrual cycle, which is on average 28 days from the start of your first period to the start of your next one is divided into two parts. You have the follicular stage and the
Speaker 3Luke Luke, do you want me to look, let me give it a go. I'm going to give it a college. Try Leighton, luteinizing Lu lutein, lutein and lutein. Ezine Lieutenant[inaudible] Lieutenant and using, Hey science, people who are better at big words than us hit us up and tell us how we were wrong. Cause I'm sure we were, but they do things menstrual cycle happens. Just want to add real quick that we're talking about sort of the negative impacts that has on an a, the ADHD brain. If you're not someone who menstruates and you are someone who wishes that you menstruated, we're not trying to like on your game. You know, we're not trying to on your life and your opinions and choices. Like we both just are definitely coming up from a perspective of really hating that we menstruate. And I know that that's not how everyone feels. I know a lot of people can find menstruation like empowering.
Speaker 4Everyone has their own kind of relationship to that cycle and what it means for your body and wherever you are on that range of experience. I hope this has some good information for you to use it.
Speaker 3Yeah, exactly. And at the very least you can kind of hear about how this might affect people in your life who menstruate and have ADHD. Yeah. So, you know, maybe look at it from that perspective. But also I just did want to recognize that we are coming from not necessarily a limited perspective, but like we are coming from one corner of the menstrual opinion world.
Speaker 4So just our experience.
Speaker 3Yeah. Which, I mean, I guess we say that every episode or like we, we try to, we usually forget actually I realized, you know, I was listening back, Oh, we don't say that we're not doctors or medical professionals or therapists every episode, but we should. And I just want to say right now, if you couldn't tell from how bad we are reading the science words, we are, none of those things. We're just two people who menstruate and also have ADHD.
Speaker 4Sure. Are you sure? I did. I did find the Google four hours though. So yeah, your period. Yeah. Yeah. Your exclamation point, your comma, your colon
Speaker 3We're back. Okay. We're back.
Speaker 4Okay. No. So the two main parts of the menstruation cycle are the follicular phase and the luteal phase and the follicular phase, which is the time between the first day of your period and when an egg is, uh, released. Okay. That is the follicular phase. And then your egg just kind of pops right on out there from your, uh, yep. Just like that. And then the time between[inaudible] when your egg and before the actual menstruation starts, when your body is getting rid of the uterine lining, it built up to support that egg. If it was going to get fertilized, that is the luteal phase. And that is when progesterone peaks. And you have more of that in your system versus the follicular phase, which is when you have more estrogen in your system.
Speaker 3Typically, typically this is definitely another caveat is that people who menstruate it's different for everybody. So again, we are coming from a pretty limited perspective here, but
Speaker 4For whatever your levels are, your estrogen levels tend to rise during the follicular phase. When you're, I didn't pay attention in health class, in high school, your uterus, your fallopian
Speaker 3Tubes, tubes. Yeah. The fallopian tubes are where the eggs come from. The ovaries fallopian tubes to the ovaries ovaries have Aggies. They release the egg, then the egg doesn't attach to the uterine wall or anything doesn't stay in there. It doesn't bake. Cause you know, there's no sperm in there to make it a baby. And so it leaves in a gushing ceremony of hatred and pain.
Speaker 4Yeah. So that's essentially how a period works. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah. Once a month, if you have a uterus that is still in this sort of time of your life, when this happens once a month, roughly your uterus is like, Hey, it's time to have a baby. And you are like, no. Yeah. And then your uterus is like, Oh, okay, thank you. And then proceeds to make your life hell for like a week or longer or shorter depending. But basically it's your body saying, Hey, do you want to have a baby? Oh, you don't have the things to have a baby. Well, you can go yourself. Here's some pain and uh, some light simulations of childbirth as we release this egg. And um, thank you. Yeah, pretty much. Like I yield my time. Thank you. So what your uterus says at the end
Speaker 4Too much, and then you are back in the follicular phase. So a lot of the way that ADHD interacts with your periods cycle has to do with the chemicals in your brain has to do with estrogen and progesterone, progesterone, progesterone, progesterone. I have to pay attention and so many classes.
Speaker 3It's cool. I didn't take courses on menstruation or anything.
Speaker 4I'm so glad you're here for this. Cause I'm just
Speaker 3Grad school was so stereotypically grad school for me. Like I was like, I'm in grad school, I'm going to take a seminar class concentration thing on the menstrual cycle. That's so wonderful. It was pretty cool. It was pretty, it was pretty cool. Uh, learned a lot, but also I'm very passionate about accessibility in menstruation now. So I'm just going to lock that down and keep it, just keep it locked up tight.
Speaker 4We'll get to it. We'll get to it. Maybe I know how the system works because I do it every month. My body does this thing, but I am bad at pronouncing words, generally speaking. And especially when it's that I have not really heard out loud before.
Speaker 3I think you're doing amazing. Sweaty. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. Oh also, sorry. Really going to derail everything. But Jordan did cut their banks at 1:00 AM like last week. So
Speaker 4Thank you for building up my credibility.
Speaker 3I just realized that I was looking at you and I was like, Oh, Jordan's bangs look really cute today. And then I was like, Oh our audience and friends at home don't know that Jordan Jordan wasn't having to break down or anything. But did all the things that people who have breakdowns at 1:00 AM do and did chop her bangs.
Speaker 4It was my I, well, okay. I wasn't having the 1:00 AM on Valentine's day in my mid twenties in the bathroom with a pair of hair sheers breakdown. You would expect it was a completely different
Speaker 2Yeah. Her breakdown, but I'm fine. I'm great. I have bangs now I got bangs and that's totally related to this episode. Sorry.[inaudible] yeah, but Jordan got bangs. Yes I did. I did this time last year I shaved my head. So that's true, but also looked very cute. Thank you. I had a buzz cut. That's just being in your twenties in Chicago and inquiry theme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess anyways, anyways, keep telling me about the hormones and brain chemicals and how they interact with the other hormones and brain chemicals that are already there all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 4Yes. So in summary, this is a very basic understanding. Obviously everyone's bodies are a little bit different, but generally speaking in the follicular phase, you were estrogen levels in your body. Raise your body, produces more of that. And then in the luteal phase, those levels dip, your body makes more progesterone. And the reason that affects your ADHD and can affect other mental health situations going on is because those hormones interact with other chemicals in your brain. Imagine that chemicals around in a pot in your head and they mess with each other more specifically, estrogen promotes the release of serotonin and dopamine. And we know how important those are to ADHD. However, when the progesterone kicks up and the estrogen falls back, obviously you are not getting the serotonin and dopamine release that you would, which as we know, ADHD brains generally are lacking dopamine. That's kind of the whole dealio. Yeah. They've actually done some research on us, a lot of different scientists and a lot of studies suggest that the first two weeks of your cycle can go more smoothly for people with ADHD who menstruate. Um, and a lot of people see a worsening of their symptoms and less effective medications in that luteal phase.
Speaker 2Cool. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Very fun. Very, very fresh. Yeah. Very sexy. Love that.
Speaker 4Certainly sexy though. There have been some studies on this. Like I said, however, the reason that there aren't more studies about, you know, how the way your brain exists for like half of your life, between the ages of like, you know, 12 and 50 or whatever, it doesn't work with the most prescribed medications for this condition, uh, is because most studies consider the monthly fluctuations in your sex hormones. Just annoying part of a study that you have to control for. So nobody will. Yeah. Yeah. Or they just say, that sounds like too much work. We're just going to test this on people who don't mind straight.
Speaker 3Thank you, science. You really you've really come through again. You've really risen to the occasion. Yeah.
Speaker 4Great. That's great. So in summary, despite all of the big fancy words that I try to say, the general overview is that during the first two weeks of your period, your brain makes more estrogen and thus more serotonin and dopamine and those estrogen levels fall. Your dopamine falls with it. So a lot of studies and a lot of firsthand observation from people who magistrate note that the first two weeks of their menstrual cycle are better, are easier to manage, have less ADHD symptoms are more effective medication. And a lot of people report and a lot of studies show that your second, two weeks there, when you have less estrogen in your system, that makes ADHD harder because you don't have the dopamine you need and your medications don't work as well because there's not as much juice to work with
Speaker 3Tight. Yeah. Cool. Love that. This is super fun. Super great. Great. I'm having an awesome time here on this planet
Speaker 4And it is worth noting. I do want to say before we continue to spiral, there are other things that can cause changes in estrogen. Yes. I know. Wild, right?
Speaker 3Something. Yeah. Something. I mean, well, yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah. But just, just to highlight some of those so that if you or someone, you know, might be going through something like this, you can expect, uh, that the way that you do with your ADHD might change. You are a young person who is going through puberty and might start menstruating soon. You've already been treated for your ADHD. What
Speaker 3If you're that young? And you're listening to our podcast stop. Oh God, I don't want your parents to be mad at us. Please stop.
Speaker 4We, we can't condone your behavior. We can't control what either. But anyway,
Speaker 3I can gently encourage you to not listen to the podcast where I talk about how cool shrooms are. So like,
Speaker 4Uh, don't do drugs stay in school. Um, don't be an arc.
Speaker 3Yeah, no do, okay. Forget everything else. Everything Jordan said is garbage, except that snitches get stitches, but also stay in school and like, you know, take care of yourself and be nice to people. I know that you're in a time of your life developmentally, where literally you are more focused on literally teenagers and adolescent. Like adolescent humans are more self-centered they are, but it makes sense because you're at a developmental age where you need to be more self-focused
Speaker 4There's a lot of self to figure out that makes perfect sense. Yes.
Speaker 3However, try having some empathy, give it a taste. It'll be much easier later in your life. I'm sure. But, but to give that a try, that's my other, this doesn't matter. This is nothing. Okay. So tell me more about menstruation. And also if you're that young, please, please don't listen to this podcast. Or if you do, don't tell your parents. I don't know if somebody that you and or
Speaker 4Love will, will be going through puberty and starting to menstruate. And you have already been diagnosed and started treatment for ADHD. Starting your period is going to probably change the way that you have to be treated because it changes the way your meds work changes, the way that your body processes, medication, everything, everything changes so much happens.
Speaker 3It's almost like there's, you know, multiple cross cultural ceremonies and signifiers and rituals surrounding just the very act of menstruation. I shouldn't say act the event,
Speaker 4The dawning of, yeah,
Speaker 3No. The beginning of menstruation is cross-culturally a big deal.
Speaker 4One of those celebrations might be going to your psychiatrist and getting your meds addressed.
Speaker 3Yeah. Yes. That could very well be a part of
Speaker 4Could be. And on the flip side, you're also going to see changes in your estrogen levels. If you are a person who menstruates and also ages, which I think is probably most people who menstruate,
Speaker 3If you don't share, give, give me the immortality,
Speaker 4That's fair to say later in your life, going through Perry or post-menopause will drop your estrogen levels. So people who meant straight, who may not have even shown symptoms before often start showing some symptoms of ADHD, uh, like lack of attention and difficulty with organization and difficulty with their short-term memory. Um, and whether you've been diagnosed or not, a lot of people see those symptoms as your body changes a yet again, cause we cannot chill. That's something to watch out for. And that, you know, means by extension that if you already have ADHD, then that can be compounded. That can also affect you. If you are diagnosed with ADHD and doing any sort of hormone replacement therapy or transitioning, that's something to watch out for because it not only changes the chemicals in your brain that are causing ADHD in the first place to behave differently, but it changes the way you metabolize your medication. So it will change the way that you have to take care of those symptoms.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. So they, it really does boil down to please talk to the person who cares for you, whether that's a PCP or a doctor or a psych whomever. Yeah.
Speaker 4And I mean, that's, I caveat that's worth noting for like anybody with a mood disorder. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah. If you have hormones, which we all do have hormones of varying types and whatnot. Uh, and if you also have, or if you have any sort of neurodivergent mood disorder, like Jordan said, just like keep an eye on it. Yeah. Just get that checked out. If you can. I recognize that that's a, not a privilege that everyone has access to. Right. Okay. Side note, ridiculous. That it's a privilege, but I recognize that in our society, which is a society, it is a privilege to be able to even medicate anything ever. But if you are a person who fits all of those labels and has access to that information, take it.
Speaker 4Yes. Oh. And whether, whether or not you have access to that, I guess one other important thing we want to say is you're not alone in experiencing that. I was so relieved when I found out that there's like a scientific reason
Speaker 3For
Speaker 4Worse. I was like, ADHD makes me bad at everything. How am I now getting worse at ADHD? This is terrible, but so sorry. That's it's okay. It's okay. Like now, now I know now I understand. And uh, it makes me feel better to know that there's a reason we feel better to know that. Not that I want anyone else to go through this, but it makes me feel better to know that that's, you know, commonly. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah. And I think also just the power and knowledge itself is huge. Like I know for me, a lot of my symptoms and behaviors and other types of things that are pretty directly caused are correlated with my ADHD and menstruation specifically, like just knowing that that's what's happening helps to mitigate those symptoms so much. Yeah. So real good point on whether you have access to medical care specifically for any of the above things or not. Yeah. This could, you know,
Speaker 4Well, that's what, like when I was reading about this, when I was researching this episode, there was a lot of advice and you are going to talk more about that shortly, but you sure are. I sure absolutely are. And I'm going to hand it over to you in just a second, but the one last thing I wanted to say, all right, to wrap that thought up is what I was looking into this and reading other people's recommendations. Like the number one thing that other people recommended to deal with their ADHD, getting worse on their period or around their period is like, no, that it's going to happen and forgive yourself and say, it's okay that it's not going to be your best week. So now, you know,
Speaker 3If you didn't know now, you know,
Speaker 4I'm going to hand it over to you, Lex, so that people can know even more.
Speaker 3Sure. Okay. So I was tasked for this episode with compiling a list of sorts of tips, tricks, and maybe sweet flips to help mitigate the crossover of symptoms and behaviors and habits and things that all. Yeah. And a lot of these are really just common sense. A lot of stuff that I found on the internet is, was either stuff that I'd already been doing or things that like a lot of advice can be, uh, is just like either inaccessible or it's advice. That's like, just do it. And you're like, okay, listen, listen, you freaking neuro-typical. I need different advice. Okay. I need something a little bit more detailed.
Speaker 4Have you tried doing yoga?
Speaker 3Okay. Listen, actually though there are some really good yoga poses if you're dealing with cramps. So what like yeah, no one that's the sort of catch all solution of, have you tried like mindfulness? I'm like, okay. All right.
Speaker 2We'll just make your ADHD and your period go away.
Speaker 3Yeah. Yeah. Cool. You good. Jordan just went to a place and I do not want to follow them there. So
Speaker 2Don't follow me there. Let's turn this car around and you can take us to these tips tricks and sweet flips.
Speaker 3Okay. Sure. And like I said, A-list of sorts because I didn't make an actual list. This is just kind of off the dome. What I remember from looking it up, you know, looking things up. Why would I write a list down? It's a podcast baby, fast and loose. So number one thing that I think is important is just to reiterate what Jordan said, which is that knowledge of this combo, this like one, two punch, that's gonna hit you in the uterus and in the brain at the same time, knowledge of it happening is so, so helpful as is. I know that for me. And I know for a lot of other people's role, but specifically in my experience when my hormones get all funky cause of my menstrual cycle. And then also when I'm experiencing like some RSD, some rejection sensitive dysphoria or emotional dysregulation, it's like a million times worse because I also PMs, I have a PMs which is premenstrual syndrome, but also it's not necessarily pre it can be during and after at any point during your cycle. But when that overlaps with any sort of situation where an interaction doesn't go a hundred percent, how I imagined it would or want it to go, then I sink to some depths. And just knowing that I am going to be feeling extra sensitive and extra reactionary is so helpful. And so to that end, one of the easiest ways to know, right. And keep track of this is to keep track of it. And I know that that's already, you know, you're like, well now you sound like a neuro-typical, but there are so many different apps for any sort of phone Android or iPhone, just any smartphone there's apps to track your cycle. If you're not a tech type of person, you can use a journal, you can write it down on sticky notes. Even if you just track the days that your period is happening, versus when it's not happening, you can kind of figure out the rest of the cycle from there. But it really, really is helpful to keep track of when that's coming so that, Hey, you're not surprised and not waking up to like bloody sheets in the morning or something, which like, we all do that. Even when like I, I track things and that still happens to me. I'm like almost 28 years old. And I still like wake up with bloody sheets every once in a while. Like it's normal and it sucks like, but like soak the fabric and cold water and then throw it in the wash.
Speaker 2Well, soda, if it's really bad. Yes. Yeah. Do you use an app?
Speaker 3I don't use an app because I have a lot of different apps on my phone and I forget about them. I have like a note pad that has like scheduling stuff on and I use that when I'm at work, because work is the productive place now. So in home is the Nintendo switch place now because I got an intended switch for my birthday.
Speaker 2It was actually the first time I've seen Alexis and she's gotten it. That's not right.
Speaker 3That's completely false. But like the sentiment is correct though. The generalization is correct. And I apologize, but also not, I don't apologize. Cause I I've been blissed out with animal crossing and breath of the wild for like a week now. And it's just, Oh, it's wonderful. I just ordered a skin for it. It's really cute. It's like retro is that retro when I sent you with like the orange and yellow and blue and like, yeah. And then I ordered an extra set of the Joy-Con and controllers skin so that I can get a second set and then like it all match. And there's got a case for it today and some screen protectors and anyways, this is irrelevant,
Speaker 2Dopamine trampoline, and you're having a little craving and you couldn't make it all the way to the full one.
Speaker 3Yeah. No. And that's not even what I'm talking to, which like, when I was thinking about DTS this week, I was like, I probably should talk about like breath of the wild, because I've played, uh, at least five hours a day. I would say since I got my switch, which is for me normally probably not great, but we are in a pandemic and what else am I going to do besides making this horrible, horrible podcast?
Speaker 2Really? You're really doing us all a service by staying inside and playing breath of the wild and breathing wild things outside.
Speaker 3Okay. I was like, what? Okay. Breathing on people dining. Yeah.
Speaker 2Do either of those things either. So anyway, anyway, some tips.
Speaker 3Yeah. No. So I have just like a notepad and I love that notepad so much because I can just write the date on the top. So like on weekends I don't like waste to the paper or anything. It's not dated. So I just dated myself. There's like lots of different areas and sections with it's. Oh, it's so nice. Because then I can just, it's like, literally just to no pads, you just rip the sheets off after you're done, it's tight, but I do have like my actual calendar as well. And I use the notepad to like sort of write down like what I'm dealing with for the day, like mentally and emotionally, which like, then I compare that to my calendar where I track when my actual period is happening and not happening. And then I sort of am able to be like, Oh, okay. So on these days during this part of my cycle, I'm feeling this way and I don't just do this for my period. Like this is just a general, like, I try really hard to understand what my brain is feeling and why, because I have no idea ever. And like when people are like, Hey, so what do you do when X, Y, Z thing happens? I'm like I lay down and I don't think about it. And then I start a podcast and pretend that I know more than I do behave. So the, yeah, tip number one is knowing is helpful. And part one B is to keep track in some way. And if that is just at the bare minimum, like if you just keep track of it in your head, if you're that type of person, which like, I know those people exist, I know you're out there, you know, I'm sure grass is greener or whatever, but that does sound pretty tight. Uh, when things happen. Yeah. I'd love to, yeah. To be able to conceptualize time ever that's tight, that'd be tight. I would love that please.
Speaker 4While you're having, please, please,
Speaker 3Please. Yeah. So knowing, tracking, et cetera, those are both really good things
Speaker 4For what it's worth. If you are an app person, I use clue, which is free and super easy to use, and it shows your cycle on like a circle. So you can chart when your cycle is, but also the symptoms you're having all month and then see the whole thing, which is super helpful for me to be able to recognize the patterns so nice when we're not getting paid by them.
Speaker 3No, when I, when I did try using an app, I used clue as well. And it's very, user-friendly, it's pretty intuitive for the most part. Um, I just wanted to shout that one out. Oh yeah. No for sure. It's, it's a good app and it is free. That just didn't work for me personally. So thank you for sharing that though. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next thing is being prepared, which is another thing that if you have ADHD, you know, sometimes we're not the most prepared and part of that is too right. Like I know a lot of other people with ADHD, myself included when crisis strikes I'm at my best, like, I am completely functional because that's all I have room to. Like there's all, that's all there's room for. Right. It's just surviving and getting things. So like, my brain is like, okay, hold on, hold on. Let's turn everything off. And let's just focus and do this thing and survive. And that's great. But it does mean that I don't plan ahead very well because I know that I'll just be like, for the most part, I'll just figure it out in real time. And uh, I know that that's not the most responsible way to live and I'm working on it, but that's where we're at. That's where we're at. So being prepared is pretty important. So whether you use consumable period products like tampons or pads, make sure you have them at all times. Like one of the other tips that we give a lot on this podcast about storage generally, is if it's something that you need to know that it's there and you need to remember, you make the storage cute and you put it out in front of your face, sorry, and you put it out in front of your face. So you just get a cute jar to put those tampons and pads in something like that is actually probably going to be fun and helpful. And also you get the special little moment of like going through your old used candles and like which jar would be best for the tampons and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4Getting jars to put things in as its own dopamine hit rails. Yeah. I mean, yes, that's a very good tip. And it's one that I should probably embrace more. I mean, like we've all done the waddle down to the store with a hunk of toilet paper and our fans thing, but no one likes doing that. So that's fair. I
Speaker 3Think you're kind of off the hook most of the time. Cause I'm always like on it because I've become a bit more habitual about like making sure that if I'm doing like a grocery store run or a target run, I'm like, wait, hold on. Do I need anything for my body? Do I need any sort of toiletries at all? And that usually includes me checking to see if we need, like our apartment needs more tampons or pads. I got you. It wasn't always this way though. The amount of times where I was like, can you have to add, pick up some tampons and his way home from work? The amount of times where I had to go home in the middle of the school day, because my cramps were so bad and I had bled through everything, even though I was using tampons and it just, yeah, no puberty was rough. I think one of my first periods, if not, my first period was like two and a half weeks long. It was awful, awful. So I will say my body did not set me up to love the uterus. My body did not set me up to feel empowered by this nonsense.
Speaker 2Kind of pulled the rug out from, I know, I know
Speaker 3It was pretty rough, but you know, survive. And then now I'm here still
Speaker 2I for sure. Yeah, I got,
Speaker 3I got you. So that would be my next tip is like store. If you use consumables, store them in a cute place. Excuse me. And then side note. I know that there's a lot of people who are like, you need to use organic cotton and nothing else. Like some of the other brands that don't have organic material, like don't use organic quote-unquote organic materials, have some scented components and some other chemicals that aren't great for your pH and your pH balance and stuff and your who ha, but like you just whatever is the most accessible to you is the thing that's the most accessible to you and no amount of banning plastic straws and banning scented tampons is going to save the planet. Like that's it's okay. It's okay. If you just use the Tampax, like it's okay. Don't let people tampon shame you. Yeah. Well, and especially when you look at like a lot of like relief efforts when there's either environmental crises or impoverished areas or people who are part of the houseless population, there's a lot of people who are like, well, I have like all these extra pads and tampons that I could donate, but I don't want to do that because they're not good for people. And like they're bad for the environment. And it's like, yeah, but people need to not bleed through their clothes. There are people who free bleed and they choose to do that. That's great. But if there's people who like just have no other option anyways, okay. No, that's, I that's entirely, I could go on a whole tangent on accessibility and sustainability in menstruation and menstrual products, but I will hold back, which I will say my next tip is actually pretty direct coming back to menstrual products. But again, this is just my own opinion. This is what has worked really well for me. And I know some other friends who also have ADHD, who it's worked really well for them as well. Uh, this is probably the most concrete tip, get a menstrual cup, get a menstrual cup. If you are a person who has access to clean running water, get a menstrual cup. It is so, so nice because you just put the cup in. It's usually silicone cup. They cost anywhere between like 20 and 40 bucks, depending on what brand or what kind, uh, they have different sizes, but it's usually silicone. And it's a little cup that just suctions onto the sides of your vaginal canal and collects all of the blood and guts and whatever uterine lining stuff that comes out when you're on your period. And then you take it out, dump it in the toilet and clean it and put it back in. Here's the thing that sounds really gross to some people. It is a very intimate thing in terms of like, you have to really learn the best way to shove a silicone cup into your vagina, right? Like you have to learn how to do that. And that can be a little uncomfortable, but the benefits, Oh, team the benefits, because do you know how long these things last, you get a menstrual cup. Those things lasts like anywhere from one to three years, see you spend 20 to 40 bucks for a, like one to three years worth of periods. So not only are you saving money, but also you put that bad boy in, in the morning, you don't need to change it out for another 12 hours or so. And so you don't even need to think about changing tampon or a pad. You can go to the bathroom, you can like do everything you normally do and not even think about it. And then you can hop in the shower at the end of the day. That's what I do and clean it out in the shower. And it's like clean myself, queen the menstrual cup, clean everything down there around Mohawk, pop it back in, go to bed. And then I don't need to think about it till the morning. It's incredible. Like, I really cannot as someone who has a lot of executive dysfunction, right? And like someone who has so often said on this podcast that I have a really hard time getting up to go pee. When I have a tampon or a pad, the willingness to go gets so much lower than it already was because you have to not only go get up, go to the bathroom and pee and do all that. Riggermerall but you have to change everything. You have to get a new one. And if you like, didn't time it out correctly, you know, like you just put the tampon in like maybe 30 minutes ago. And then you're like, I gotta pee. I have to pee already. And I don't want to leave the tampon in one IP. It's got a little string that soaks up moisture. So it sucks. All that right up into the, no, it's a really bad time. So you need to do that. But then it's like, Oh my gosh, it's still kind of dry. So it hurts when you pull it out, but you can't leave it in. And sorry. I know we did say at the beginning, this is going to be about menstruation and no holds barred here. Right?
Speaker 2No, that's, that's so fair. That's just like you painted a very vivid picture and I was experiencing it. No, it's it's okay. You didn't say that we were going to talk about administration. Yeah,
Speaker 3Yeah, no, that's fair. I did. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. Anyways, all that said, I recognize that a menstrual cup is not for everybody, but it is one of the most helpful things that I've come across in my admittedly short life thus far that has made having a period much less annoying and much less taxing than it used to be. So just like a real quick rundown, most of the things I found were like, make sure you store your consumable period products in a, an open place so that you see them and you see if you need more. And then, you know, they're easy to access. If all of a sudden you sit down and you're like, well, Oh, here we go. Yeah. I mean, a lot of it is just like being gentle with yourself when you can't do those things. Right. Like, and I think that's like my first and foremost, and then what Jordan had also said is like, just knowing and knowing that it's going to happen and knowing like, why you're feeling particularly reactionary while you're feeling particularly sensitive, why your body hurts, you know, like all these things are happening. Right. And it's even just knowing that that's, what's happening can be so helpful. And like Jordan said, knowing that other people are going through this as well is a lot of helpful stuff. Right. And I don't want to tell people what to do or what not to do. But if there's anything that I've said that strikes a chord with you about menstrual cups or, you know, making sure that you have things around making sure that you can track everything. Like if that resonates with you awesome. If those tips don't, that's okay, like you have Google it's free, but I guess my sort of to wrap it up point is like, you know, there are ways to make this process easier and there are ways to make this process less painful. And then there's also not always ways to do that. Right. So you just have to kind of work with your body, work with your brain and see what works and what doesn't, and then be really, really gentle and kind to yourself when you run into something that does it. Yeah. That's all great. I think, based to figure your own path. Oh, I also forgot about this one, if you can, or if you're someone who has hyperactive or combined type, and this is sort of your like emo do try to move around a little bit. It can help with cramps. It can help with sort of that fogginess that can come from meds, not working the way they're supposed to and hormones kind of bringing you down, but like getting up, getting, moving and doing some child's pose yoga like that child's pose just really helped. Yeah. Oh yeah. Uh, also talk to people about it. Yeah. Is that a big part of this issue is that like mental health is getting less and less stigmatized by the day I feel, but it is still stigmatized. Yeah. Especially neurodivergence right. Like it's pretty stigmatized and poorly represented. I should say. Don't, you know, don't want to zag too much, but uh, there are some films that have come out and I really hope that you don't see, see it, please don't go see it to our autistic friends and anyone in our audience who is autistic. Like you deserve better. You deserve so much better. And like, I know y'all know that, but also just like, if you don't know what we're talking about, just take a minute, go look at Twitter, go look at films that have, have come out this year about autism and maybe do some reading from actual, like people who are in the autistic community on the spectrum. So that was a huge tangent there, but to just want to kind of like pop that in there, but that's it mental illness or different disorders are stigmatized in different ways than ADHD is one of those. So, you know, part of the reason we do this podcast in the first place is to talk about ADHD. And then menstruation is similarly very stigmatized in our society. I don't begrudge anybody who is triggered by blood or Gore or periods and menstruation specifically. I do not regret you that. And I'm totally understand that this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but the cultural discussed with a very natural process for people with uteruses
Speaker 4And the lack of education.
Speaker 3Yeah. That's not great. And so, you know, that's why we're talking about it. And so I would encourage you all to talk about it with other people in your life. Maybe just talk about it with people who also meant straight, if that makes you comfiest. But like, I really would encourage you to be more open about this. I also recognize I have some pretty interesting opinions according to other people. But like, I think that there's a lot of stuff that we act like it's taboo or not okay to talk about. And I am like, what kind of social construct? Like, it's just real dumb. It's just real stupid. Like, just talk about it. There's so much in this world that could be not solved, but helped. Yeah. Aided by just talking to one another. Also, if you're really grossed out by this episode and you don't have like an actual, like trigger response to it and you're just grossed out by periods, don't have a uterus and have opinions about people with uteruses. Then like you can go the door's right there. But, uh, I probably shouldn't just be like, Hey, if you're this type of listener Goff, but like,
Speaker 4I feel like no uterus, no opinion is kind of a decent rule of thumb though.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, no, cause that's the thing is like, there are people who have menstruated that don't have uteruses now. Like I know that's a broad spectrum. Right. But no. Yeah. I guess there's sort of like when it comes to menstruation, if you're not someone who menstruates and
Speaker 4Yeah. If you haven't experienced it and aren't effected by it, shut up.
Speaker 3Yeah. And if you're like squiggled out right now, like, sorry, but not sorry at all, because
Speaker 4What happens to my body every month? Yeah.
Speaker 3No. And you for sure know people who menstruate like you for sure do. So jot that down this as per usual has turned into me, just like preaching about different things. So
Speaker 4Take a small rant for a second. Absolutely. You can. This is, this is, I guess, less about the social stigma of periods and ADHD and more about Tumblr app. But if we're, if we're looking at the spectrum of ADHD, friendly period products, you have, like, you mentioned the menstrual cup. If that's not your style, if you have like fashionist mess or are uncomfortable or can't do silicone, I dunno. You have consumables of various types. I like actually probably free bleeding would be like the least effort. Most ADHD friendly in terms of how to do laundry though. Oh goodness.
Speaker 3No. That's why I'm like, I thought about recommending like period on days, but a I've never tried them. So I don't feel okay. Like recommending them to people and also be, I've never tried them because I have to wash them. That's such a good point. Like I never do. Excuse me. You want me to do what now?
Speaker 4Want me to remember to wash my clothes? Well, that's where this comes in the opposite side of the spectrum on the far, far opposite side of the spectrum so far away, it should be a different spec. Okay. You have reusable pads and here's the thing. If you use those and they work for you, that's great. A lot of people love that. They're eco-friendly because you're not disposing of things. A lot of people find them to be more comfortable material, but I need tumbler to stop putting an ad for them on my dash. Like once an hour, it's not going to happen. Tumbler. I don't do laundry. That's wild,
Speaker 3But you get those tumbler ads. And all I get is like pictures of Shamar Moore. And it's like, celebrities, you didn't know that have been dead for like 20 years. And I'm like SSA, Derek Morgan from criminal minds. And then I frantically Google is Shamar Moore dead. No, he's not dead. Just lie. Just so so many lives. But yeah, that's the ad experience. I usually encounter, honestly, though, I would prefer that that's fair. Cause he's not dead. It's not like it's a little bit of panic though. That first bit of panic of like, Oh no, I'm no Shamar Moore. Sorry about the levels there.
Speaker 4I'm glad that he's okay. Shamar Moore, hope you're doing all right. Yeah. Hope you're hanging in there. Okay. Sending you our love from, uh, the Wendy's city take care. Don't die.
Speaker 3I mean, I guess you will eventually, but you know, I know you probably can't control tumbler ads about you specifically, but you could Sue if you wanted to. Yeah. They did say you were dead. That's true. That's slander defamation or something,
Speaker 4But yeah, I'm never going to use a reusable pad.
Speaker 3Okay. So this is just your own personal beef with Tumblr then. Okay, cool. Cool. I was like, okay. Okay.
Speaker 4No, like eco-friendly you should do it. And I'm like, I'm not going to do that. First of all, I'm not going to wash them. Second of all. Even if I was going to wash them, I'm not going to carry a dirty pad around with me until I can get home to wash it. It's not going to happen. Stop putting those ads in front of my face. This fear stop. Yeah. Okay. That's it. Cool.
Speaker 3Cool. Cool. I guess. Okay. Just to add my own little mini ranch, there are a lot of people out there who think that we should give menstrual cups to everyone who menstruates and as a part of that houseless community. And I need y'all to know that like the intent and sentiment there is like, cool. Yeah, let's make things sustainable and all that. But again, I will reiterate that pads and tampons and you know, while we're at it, like plastic straws do not do nearly as much damage to the environment as you think they do. And we do not have that much individual control over that. And nothing that you individually do on that scale is really going to help anything at all. Because most of the pollution in this planet does not come from individuals. It comes from large corporations and yeah,
Speaker 2We actually had any delay over that. Emissions probably would have dropped more than like only 11% during coronavirus, but no one was traveling. Yeah. I mean, but anyway,
Speaker 3What our podcast is about, but for those of you who really adamantly believe that we should give every person who is houseless and uh, menstruating a menstrual cup. I just want you to sit and think about the fact that to have a menstrual cup, not only do you need to have access to a bathroom, not only do you need to have access to running water, you need to have access to boiling water because that's how you sanitize the cup before and after each cycle. So stop making people feel bad for using tampons and pads. That's the whole moral of the story here is stop. Making people feel bad for using consumable period products. Stop it.
Speaker 2I mean, if you want to give houseless people a house, if you want to give people a bathroom and running water, they can boil as well. That's great.
Speaker 3Yeah. Hey, at the U S government, there are other governments on this planet that have done this and guess what? It's surprise helpful. It reduces harm. It reduces death. It reduces disease. It reduces crime. It reduces all of these other things that people claim to have a lot of issues with. So I might just, you know, pepper in the fact that if people have guaranteed universal, basic human rights, including a place to be sheltered from the elements, it's almost like their lives are a little bit better. It's almost like everyone's lives are a little bit better when we're all safe and okay. Like in a society. Yeah. And I'm not saying that in a anticapitalist society, everyone is magically going to be okay and let like neurodivergence and mental illness and disorders aren't going to exist and aren't going to like just magically be perfect. I, that's not what I'm saying, but like there are some problems that we could very easily solve.
Speaker 2It's kind of about picking your battles
Speaker 3Here. And um, we have chosen all of the wrong battles as a country for this our leaders have. Yeah. So that would just be my thing is like, please, please, don't be to people who can't do XYZ type of menstrual products. Like I know I suggested a menstrual cup, but like that's only, if you, like, if you're a regular tampon user, I would say a menstrual cup could be a potential option for you in terms of like what you're comfortable with.
Speaker 2It's also okay. If you can't, I will say this knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 3Like that's what I'm saying is like, like you don't use a menstrual health and that's totally fine. And I don't spend my days just being like Jordan, when you're going to use a menstrual cup. Like,
Speaker 2And I don't, I don't experience that from you. I just wanted to say it so that someone else was in the same boat listening and be like, Oh cool.
Speaker 3Yes. Yeah. Yes. I think my main thing is that's my big hot tip because that's how I experience things. And then also, because it takes a lot of steps out and I know for me, that's a huge issue. So if that's an issue for you, it might be something to consider be my there's my thesis statement. And also just don't be to people. And so you want to maybe talk about some things to give us a dopamine. Yeah. Let's do that because I'm definitely like I'm getting heated, I'm getting fired up
Speaker 2And this car around once again. Uh, what is your definitely drank during this week? Dancing, dancing, just dancing. No. Don't tell the guy from Footloose.
Speaker 3See that he's dancing, he's dancing in a factory. So I grew up dancing. I think I mentioned that on our last episode, actually, you check that out by the way. Our last episode was a collab with Sarah and Kayla from sounds fake, but okay. Just a little blog there. Their podcast is great. It was a
Speaker 2Very fun time. So fun.
Speaker 3So fun. It was the extroverted BFS dragging the introverted BFFs into a circle of hell and everyone came out. Okay. And hopefully at a good time, we had a good time. We had a good, but we were, you know, the people doing the dragging. So anyways, I did talk about this a little bit last week and that's what made me think, Oh, maybe I should actually talk about that a little bit more. Uh, I, yeah, I grew up dancing competitively. I did ballet tap, jazz, contemporary, all those things. And also I did competitive hip hop, which, you know, a young white girl from rural Michigan competing in a type of dance that culturally was created and spread by black people. Um, say what you will, it was the early two thousands. And I had a lot of fun and learned a lot of cool things that my body is capable of. But I do recognize there's some things about that that are iffy at the very least. We don't need to unpack all of that. Uh, just want to like pepper that in that I, I did do that. Um, but I also did all of the other stuff too. Um, I never did like the fancy point ballet because I also rode horses and to theater and lots of other sports and activities. So I didn't have the time to commit my entire life to dance. Um, which is probably for the best, because my feet are all sorts of messed up as is. And yeah, so I can't even imagine what my joints and bones would be like if I had done point. So I grew up dancing though, and then competed. So I wasn't like bad at dancing. I did win things for dancing. Uh, so that was pretty cool. Uh, and then, you know, in college there wasn't a dance team or anything. So then I did cheer and that was cool. That was tight. But mainly the reason I'm talking about this is because dance is kind of just like, uh, a thing that I do to feel better sometimes. And I, I know that sounds cliche. Like people are like, Hey, have you tried putting on some loud music and dancing around your apartment that might help you feel better? And like, I know that's not how it works for some people and that's not always how it works for me, but I will say a very seldom have I heard Abba in the other room and not wanted to get up and, you know, groove a little, not only is it something that I focused a lot of time and energy on as a kid and growing up, but it's also something that's still currently gives me that instant dopamine hit of like combo physical activity and creative sort of artistic component that dance brings to athleticism them. You know, like that combo really feeds my brain. So I wanted to talk about that. I mean, I feel like dancing is pretty universal, right? Like a lot of people like dancing, a lot of people have fun dancing. There are a lot of people who don't and that's totally cool. My partner is one of those people who dancing is just not their strong point and not something that they like to do. And that's okay. But dance is something that helps me keep connected to my body. You know, like something that I do everyday on my lunch break is, uh, I'll do all of my old sort of dance stretches. I cannot do the splits anymore, but I am able to still do the stretches that will hopefully help me get back into that. But it's just, it's something that it's important to me on a spiritual and emotional level. And it's also really good for me on a physical and brain chemical level. So I just kind of wanted to mention it. It's not anything super in depth. Like I didn't bring a history lesson on dance, cause like there's so much, there's so much. And also like, cause I know that there's a lot of people who can't dance and that's, so I don't want to alienate people who are not able to dance, um, or who don't want to dance, but it's just, it's something that gives me dopamine. And I know it's kind of a, or it's a, it's a thing that a lot of people connect over and connect on. And it's a thing that really brings a lot of cultures together too. Right. So there's just a lot of different aspects of dance that I just love. Um, and then today, you know, I'm sitting in my office and listening to music and then boss comes on and I'm like, all right, well, here we are here we are. Exactly, exactly. So I just kinda like just bopping in my chair a little bit and like,
Speaker 2Yeah, just a little, just a little bit of a groove,
Speaker 3Even just like the act of sitting down, stretching out my legs and like pointing my toes and like feeling my, literally like through my, my limbs. Right. Like that's really important for me to feel grounded. Like I think with ADHD, especially, but also like just generally, it's just, it keeps me really grounded. So I thought I'd just kind of talk about dance because I don't talk about it a lot on this podcast, but it's a pretty big part of my life and a pretty big part of my upbringing. And I realized that I hadn't really focused on it much as like a, you know, something that not only gives me dopamine, but also like helps me.
Speaker 2Yeah. Yeah. So now I know that you mentioned Abba and a couple other songs. Yeah. Do you have like a favorite song to dance, to like dance to that? Like a go-to this is the song I'm going to put on to shake it. Um,
Speaker 3Give me your dopamine trampoline. Okay. And we'll come back to this. And I would like to also hear yours. Maybe this can be our outro question. We don't normally prepare for it.
Speaker 2You don't, it's very, it's a spur of the moment usually, but
Speaker 3It's a tough one. Yeah. I would argue. And I feel like
Speaker 2You, you deserve the time to pick an important answer. Thank you. Yeah, of course. But also you do as well. That's what I'm saying. Well, I am going to talk about my dove mean Franklin park.
Speaker 3Yes. Sorry. I opened my phone to look at Spotify and then I was like completely distracted by discord. Yeah. This is it. This is a podcast about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yup. Anyways, my dopamine trampoline this week is a show that I started watching on Netflix. That some of you might've heard of, I feel like I heard some people talking about how it's really good, but honestly, not enough because it is so good. It's incredibly good storytelling. It's fantastic. Cinema, cinema, cinema, and typography for a television show. My whole heart, the acting is phenomenal. The storytelling it's so exciting. I'm so delighted. I feel like sometimes it's hard to find a show where you like, don't know what's going to happen, but it's fun to watch because like there's shows where you know, what's going to happen. And then there, I feel like there's also shows where you don't know what's going to happen, but that's just bad writing. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah. I would say like, yeah, no, just because it's unpredictable doesn't mean it's good. And oftentimes it's the opposite. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah. But this show is both. It is unpredictable. It is delightful. It is well-crafted and it is the Netflix series through back. It is a French TV show. Hence the accent L U P I N
Speaker 3That's um, looping for the Americans in our audience. Excuse the Twain.
Speaker 2I did not mean
Speaker 3Did not mean to be offensive, but in my defense I do actually have a bit of a twing in my voice. So
Speaker 2That just kind of pops out sometimes,
Speaker 3I guess I don't mean to, but it happens.
Speaker 2No, it's all good. But anyways, so it was a French TV show. It's on Netflix. It is about, uh, I don't know. I don't want to spoil too much of it, but the main character is a gentleman spy it's based on French book series called[inaudible], which is about, uh, a gentleman spy who gets into all of these
Speaker 3Arson Lubin fire Wolf
Speaker 2Are San as a name. Oh, okay. But arson Wolf would also be a very good book series or TV series.
Speaker 3I'm sorry for trying to understand French. No,
Speaker 2It's French. Doesn't want to be understood. That's not your fault. Yeah. But no, but I like your idea though. It'd be like arson Wolf is the Wolf that convinced,
Speaker 3So submit some crimes, some fire crimes
Speaker 2I've watched. I would also very much watch that. I want to make sure that you know that, but do tell me about this one
Speaker 4Though. Yes. You know, he's this very suave sort of gentlemen burglar who gets into all of these situations that you think you won't be able to get out of. Kind of reminds me of Scarlet. Pimpernel S like the sort of dandy by day, chaotic good or neutral, good burglar at night. You know, he's not like burgling poor people and being a Dick, but they turned it into a modern day television show, the character of our song, like that is updated, uh, to be this incredibly smart, incredibly so interesting. He's like I said, I'm delighted. I can't even say
Speaker 3This is a very interesting domain trampoline because you're like trying so hard not to spoil things. And I appreciate that because I want to watch it, but it is quite funny to watch Jordan sort of struggle to say anything without just being like, it's a good show, watch it. I like it gives me dopamine, but that's kind of it.
Speaker 4That is kind of it. Um, but I also don't want to spoil it. Cause all of you should go watch it right now. The cast is really good. Amarsi is in it and he's wonderful. And I'm forgetting the other actors names, but they're also good. Yeah. Yeah. I loved the Scarlet Pimpernel I really enjoy that genre. That's going to be another dopamine trampoline.
Speaker 3Oh yeah. It's on the list. Like literally it's it's on the list. Absolutely.
Speaker 4There is a list and it is on it. But if you're into that genre, it's suspenseful without triggering my hand anxiety, which is great
Speaker 3And hard
Speaker 4To come by. Um, and it's, I always hate to describe things as clever because I feel like that can be taken as like clever instead of actually doing the work. Like we're going to find a fun little way to trick you. Um, but this shows like clever in a good way. It's clever in the way that the, the cinematography and the cuts add to the story in a way that's not spoken. It's clever in the way that he gets in and out of things, the characters backstory really makes you like, feel for him. And it's a very cool update and it's taking into account a lot of, again, I'm trying not to spoil it, but it takes into account kind of a lot of modern issues and a lot of modern social dynamics. It plays those to a nuanced benefit. Cool. And I'm going to shut up now because if I say anything else, I will spoil it, but go watch Lippa on Netflix. It's very good.
Speaker 3Thank you. Thank you. I love the sort of like no information only vibes that we've given for both of our DTS this week. Just, you know, it's just the energy, that's it? It's just the volumes. Yeah. Well thank you for sharing. I will, I will watch it. Let me know what you think. Uh, not probably after this, because I do have Dungeons and dragons tonight,
Speaker 4But if you watch it or if anyone else who is in the audience is watching it, let me know what you think. Although I'm only on like episode two as of the 23rd, so please don't spoil it. I worked really hard not to spoil it. Please. Don't spoil
Speaker 3It. Yeah. If you spoil it for Jordan, I'll come to your house and beat the out of you. I'm kidding. That's a joke. It's a joke
Speaker 2For legal purposes. This is a joke. Just jokes.
Speaker 3Just jokes. Just scuffs. Well, thank you so much, everybody for tuning in free at another or learning part Corp. Yeah. I sort of took Jordan's a job there. I think it just sort of like, we want to switch it this episode. Yeah. I mean, why not? Let's switch it up. Yeah. Thank you so much for tuning into or learn par core a podcast from wholehearted production company.
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Speaker 3I'll let you leave reviews about podcasts. Please do that. Yes. Preferably nice ones. Although all publicity is good publicity.
Speaker 2I don't know if that's true, but please you can say anything mean about us please. I will cry, but you still can if you want to.
Speaker 3No, I said I would come beat the out of you, but that really was just a joke. I would cry if you said mean things about us, you can do both beat people up and cry. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I contain multitudes or whatever, but like, I'm just saying, I'm not going to beat up our audience. That's wild. It was, canonically a joke in the Canon of the podcast. It was a joke.
Speaker 2What would also be cool of you if you are able and so moved is supporting us on[inaudible] if you want. Uh, there's a link to that in our link tree, on our Twitter and on our,
Speaker 3Yeah. We have a link tree on Twitter and Instagram. For those of you who don't speak musical theater,
Speaker 4I'm surprised you made it this far, but uh, yes. So did you find a song? Do you pin down your favorite? The number one dance song?
Speaker 3So here's the thing. No, I cannot pick a number one dance song. That's impossible. I quickly realized, but I did just to see, I did check out the first ever playlist that I made on my Spotify, way, way back in like 2012, 2011, 2012, somewhere in there, my first year of college. Okay. So I did pull up my oldest playlist, which so it was originally called do your homework idiot because I listened to hip hop and rap a lot when studying things. So like not hardly anymore because I'm not in school. Thank God. But when I was, that was a big thing that I did. So I do have this playlist that has like some of my favorite jams on it. And so I, I have to say from this old, old playlists, and I know that there will probably be opinions about this on some level, but one song that without fail has always made me go, absolutely bonkers is so much so that I've seen this artist in concerts too much to my shame and chagrin, but no interruption by hoodie Allen. Well just always, always, always at least bring a smile to my face, but also I don't think I've ever heard or like seen that song performed or anything and not been able to like groove a little, a much more modern answer. And by that, I mean like something that I listened to like today while working is Reiki and act by Busta rhymes, it's always a classic for me. I know we all have some feelings about Justin Timberlake and I, I feel some feelings about Justin Timberlake as well, but let the group get in. The groove does get in. I'm not going to keep listing these because I will never stop, Oh, steal my girl one direction, but have more slow ballad. But I, I, can't not just like get really into it, you know? Yeah. I'm gonna stop now. Do you have one?
Speaker 4I do. This is kind of a throwback song. It was a classic. This was like my go-to jam for like dancing with my dad in our house because we had a massive sound system that our parents still have in these huge floor speakers, which they still have. Amazing. And I in fact have a dent in my forehead from running into one of those speakers at my parents' wedding.
Speaker 3After that
Speaker 4We, uh, liked to have family dance parties. And I think like the number one best family dance party song was walking on sunshine by Katrina and white. That's really sweet. Also. I was trying to look at my like made for me, Spotify playlist and pick out the dance-y songs, but they're all sad. So,
Speaker 3Oh boy.
Speaker 2So yeah. I'm Jordan. I'm Lex and this has been or learn park or see in two weeks. Have you ever heard no interruption by Yellen? I'm absolutely positive. You've played it for me before. But do you remember, do you remember what the lyrics are? I might've talked it out. Okay. Do you want me to sing it to you? I'm going to sing it to you. I didn't think I had a choice. Oh, all American first team. Yeah.
Speaker 1So anyways, if you want us to give it to you, no interruption. I'm sorry.[inaudible].
