Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
OLP 044: On Purpose, On Purpose, We Love Dolly Parton On Purpose
Ring in the new year and send out the old! Join us as we take a tour of some of the most interesting ADHD news of 2022, look into the future, learn about gamification, and bounce over to our first-ever Double Dopamine Trampoline.
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CW/TW: Mental health, ADHD, loud noises, yelling, mouth noises, driving and mention of car accidents.
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There is a dark place, but I'm not going. No, no. Not way. There is a dark place, but I'm not going.
Speaker 2:Hi, I'm Jordan. And I'm Lex. And this is, or Learn Parkour,
Speaker 3:A podcast about a D H D done by two people who for sure have a D H D.
Speaker 2:Yep. Welcome
Speaker 3:Back.
Speaker 2:Welcome back everybody. Happy New Year.
Speaker 3:Happy new Year. New me, new phone. Who disks.
Speaker 2:I hope you got lots of, uh, sweet flips in over the holidays
Speaker 3:Or some like just naps, you know? I hope you
Speaker 2:Have some naps. Oh, I, yeah,
Speaker 3:Like, we're deep into January now.
Speaker 2:It, yeah,
Speaker 3:It is 2023, which like, you know, I always struggle with the new year. I'm, you know, I'm just like everybody else. I struggle to remember what date to write on the top right hand corner of my math paper and,
Speaker 2:You know, school. But, but
Speaker 3:I don't know, bro. I feel like we're both just trying so hard. Like, yeah. It, it is January. It is a new year. Time just keeps moving.
Speaker 2:It's fake, but it still punches us in the face every single day. Yeah. Um, if you are like us and are experiencing January, like experiencing with a capital E mm-hmm.<affirmative>, we do have an episode a while back about a D H D and seasonal effective disorder, which Yeah. Boy has.
Speaker 3:So Yeah. Boys.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Boys. We
Speaker 3:Both got those fun little lamps.
Speaker 2:Yes, we do. I
Speaker 3:Take mine to the office.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's a good place to have it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I have one in my office here at the house and one at my office. Office. Yes. Which is necessary.<laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You got it. You have to have it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you have to. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I have gone two weeks at work. Right. Without having Oh. Any sort of help from my little fancy depression lamp.
Speaker 2:Yikes, bud.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Like I said, it's January.
Speaker 2:It sure is. We have had an unseasonable amount of sunny days here in Chicago, though. That's been weird.
Speaker 3:Like bummer on the climate change. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:But from the seasonal depression standpoint, hell yeah, brother.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Could be so much worse, like mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but for real, like, we are both, I feel like just clinging. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> just, just hold on by threads and I think it's
Speaker 2:On Well May get through Mayther. You know that
Speaker 3:Song? No. Oh, I don't know that song. Okay. One of the most popular songs for reality TV shows. Is it really to use when someone gets sent home?
Speaker 2:I didn't know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:Oh. I mean, like, there's a lot of'em. Another I believe you. Yeah. Another one. Oh, D I'm sure if you watched Reality TV or grew up watching reality tv, you, you, you'll surely remember when David Crowder or not David Crowder
Speaker 2:<laugh> had a bad day. Yes, yes. Take him while down Bad Day. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like that one I think really epitomized. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. The, the, the outro exit of a contestant song.
Speaker 2:I mean that was like from American Idol, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. But every reality show has that. Yeah. And I remember so many<laugh>, so many reality shows used Bad Day. So many used
Speaker 2:The
Speaker 3:Other one. The other one that you were just singing that I don't actually know the name to. So just me neither holding on. Probably
Speaker 2:Probably listeners audience, if you know, tell us, we're gonna forget to look this up as soon as we stop recording. So if you listen to this episode and you know, please tell us or don't, I mean you don't have to, but
Speaker 3:Yeah. No pressure, but like, could be helpful.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, the more you know,
Speaker 3:And like I said, we're hanging on by threads, so mm-hmm.<affirmative>,<laugh> the capacity to Google lowered significantly. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> at this time. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, y'all. We are meant to be in like caves and cabins and warm spaces. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>
Speaker 3:Telling stories. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> making. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> hanging out with our friends and family and eating our rations. Okay.
Speaker 2:Just carving up, getting in on those potatoes and those other root vegetables that keep super well after harvest. Like
Speaker 3:Potatoes.
Speaker 2:Potatoes. Like potatoes. Like potatoes.
Speaker 3:I really want potatoes. Do you want potatoes?
Speaker 2:I never don't want potatoes. That's fair.<laugh>.
Speaker 3:That's so fair. But like here we are. Yep. Having to like go to our jobs mm-hmm.<affirmative> and continue to buy groceries and make sure that the toilet paper is stocked in the bathroom. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you mean we still have to do that? You like, that's just, it seems really unfair to me.
Speaker 2:I wish we would've just gotten the hibernating gene.
Speaker 3:Like
Speaker 2:Bears. Yeah, like
Speaker 3:Bears. Yeah. Oh, to be a bear. Just fast asleep and fat as right now.
Speaker 2:Oh. To be full of salmon and berries and so incredibly unconscious.
Speaker 3:I have a question. So you know how like Grizzlies will like grab salmon out of the river mm-hmm.<affirmative> right there. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> as they're like jumping up river mm-hmm.<affirmative> because you know salmon mm-hmm.<affirmative> and then they just kinda like toss it back. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And you see in those nature videos, they're not spending the whole time like cooking it up, cutting it up, eating it, bite by bite. They just toss it back. Yeah. Do you think the salmon ever tries to swim back up river?
Speaker 2:I do believe that they chew it. They're not just doing like salmon shots,
Speaker 3:But like are they really chewing it because they don't need to, like bears have sharp teeth because they specifically don't need to grind up their food the way that herbivores do because the way their de digestion works for a carnivore is different. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What I would assume that they like rip it, you know, like take bites of it. Even if they don't like chew, even if they don't have molars, otherwise the salmon would swim back up. I think that that's the answer to the question. You Googling it?
Speaker 3:Yeah. Bears are different. They pretty much swallow fish in one piece and the digestive system takes care of the rest. Bones included. Wow. There's literally one of the most common results do bears eat salmon hole. I just said do bears eat fish hole. I didn't even specify salmon. I wanted to just be, you know,
Speaker 2:Equal opportunity fish eater.
Speaker 3:Oh. As time progresses and the bears are less ravenous, these less hungry bears consume only the eggs, brains and skin of the salmon, which are the fattiest parts. Hmm. Near the end of the salmon run. If the bear has not attained enough fat content, it will return to eating the whole salmon.
Speaker 2:Ah. So sometimes they do if they're not in a hurry. Yeah. Well, you know, they do say that omega three s that are found in salmon are good for people with adhd. So it all comes full circle.
Speaker 3:Wait, so the bears have ADHD in the salmon help. Sure. Okay.
Speaker 2:<laugh>, if we were bears we would still have adhd. Yeah. Or maybe we wouldn't cuz we ate so much salmon. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Maybe the fish hills would really just knock it outta the park.
Speaker 2:<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Well, scientists look out. We've got a new study for you mm-hmm.<affirmative> speaking of studies. Yes. 2022 sure was a year
Speaker 2:That it was
Speaker 3:For a lot of things, but also in terms of ADHD specifically,
Speaker 2:This is true and we're gonna tell you about it. Uh, that's what we're gonna do this episode in case you were wondering like 10 minutes into recording what this one's gonna be about New year, new us new phone, who dis and we're gonna tell you about some of the newsworthy A D H D findings of 2022. So we're gonna tell you about A D H D news from 2022.
Speaker 3:Yeah. As you're saying that, I am coming to the realization that we're saying like, new year, new me, new phone who disks mm-hmm.<affirmative> and that's great. I love that energy. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but in the spirit of that, we probably shouldn't be talking about the year that just ended. Right.<laugh>, but we didn't do a year review at the end of last year, so we're just gonna do it a little late, which I feel like is also on brand for people who have adhd
Speaker 2:<laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I I feel like it's, uh, it's an important part of moving on to acknowledge what you've gone through. So Yeah. All that to say we're still gonna talk about 2022. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I, I think that's really just, uh, semantics. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but, uh, I mean, who wants the last episode of the year to be like the year in review and not a fun holiday special, which is what it was. Yeah. You know, so in our defense, I think we did a better job.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Who wants to do anything like official between Christmas and New Year's? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, that is the closest thing. That is the closest thing we have to hibernation. Yeah. That is the don't do week. Yeah. So yeah, we didn't do.
Speaker 3:We didn't do, but now we're back and we're trying to do.
Speaker 2:Yes, we are, we're here, we're talking about it. Shall we dive in to ADHD news from 2022?
Speaker 3:We shall.
Speaker 2:Great.
Speaker 3:I, the biggest thing that comes to mind, we already did a whole episode about it mm-hmm.<affirmative>, so we're not gonna get too in depth, but the Adderall shortage, the great Adderall shortage of 2022
Speaker 2:Is still going on. Yes,
Speaker 3:It is. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> it is, it is moved beyond 2022 and it is a 2023 problem as well.
Speaker 2:Hopefully not for long, but who's
Speaker 3:To say, who's to say those supply chains? Those ding dang things are tricky.
Speaker 2:They sure are. That's a tricky dick. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>. So that's, I'd say the biggest piece of news mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Like if I, if I were to, you know, not that this is how I did the research, but if I were to per se, you know, say, type into the Google search bar, d h d news 2022 mm-hmm.<affirmative>, if,
Speaker 2:If hypothetically
Speaker 3:Hypothe Yeah. Hypothetically mm-hmm.<affirmative>, that's definitely the first thing that would come up. I,
Speaker 2:I, I believe that I can see that in my mind's eye and definitely not in real life on my screen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So just, you know, it's a gut feeling. Yes. But that one's definitely up there,
Speaker 2:<laugh>. It's that one does to be fair, affect a lot of people. I will say a lot of the things that I found when I was looking this up were like research studies that came out mm-hmm.<affirmative> and findings and things like that.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of studies just page after page after page after page of studies mm-hmm.<affirmative>, which is like, that's good. That's great. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I I love that scientists and psychologists and psychiatrists are like, just really digging in on it. Sure
Speaker 2:Are.
Speaker 3:But I do wish there was some happy medium between, you know, big news headline mm-hmm.<affirmative> like Adderall shortage for like fifth straight month, or literally a study about the neural flexibility of children, which is like interesting. And it's cool, it's all working towards, you know, some useful information down the road. Yeah. But, uh,
Speaker 2:Not the most, uh, presently applicable information for those of us with active brain worms.
Speaker 3:Yes. Yep. Yes.
Speaker 2:Well,
Speaker 3:What about you?
Speaker 2:So I found a couple articles mm-hmm.<affirmative>, uh, that were not quite something that's gonna be day-to-day relevant, but slightly more hands-on than, uh, neural flexibility and et cetera. Uh, about some research grants that have happened, about some findings that have come out about programs that people have actually been involved in and some things like that. So I'll just bop through these real fast.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Please. Bop bop on ahead. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>. So, uh, the first article that I found, and we'll share all of these, uh, this is from August of this year, um, and is about a psychologist from Florida State University who got a$9 million grant to expand treatments for pediatric A D H D. And specifically the reason why this is kind of interesting and important news is that they're specifically talking about gamified treatment. So this is not like a medication, uh, it's not like a, a punishment or something like that. It's a new treatment model that they're combining with a preexisting study that they did called behavior management based training, which is actually something that parents go through mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Uh, and that helps them like have the tools and skills to understand how their kid thinks and how to like, steer their behavior in a better path mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, which I think is, is great. I mean, I know that we kind of talk about on the show how many resources there are for parents and how few there are for people with adhd, but in this case those resources are also necessary. And I think it's really helpful to give parents like a little bit more hands on information versus like your child's misbehaving hero drugs.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and not that we're against medication because we both, we both are very much not against medication. Yeah. However, I can understand how if you have a little mini version of yourself running around out there, you maybe are hesitant mm-hmm.<affirmative>, especially from the way it's talked about to, you know, give your children drugs. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's
Speaker 3:What the neighbor down the street's supposed to do on Halloween<laugh>.
Speaker 2:Yeah. If they're slacking on putting speed in those fun size, Snickers, then you gotta step in. But I realize that's not what everybody's planning to do. Um, and I think it's also worth saying these kind of alternative treatment methods that are more like behavior based are often great tools to use alongside with mm-hmm.<affirmative> medication. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I know for me, medication is really important and getting me started over like that initial hump mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but then if I can have other skills to keep working and do what I need to do, that helps me get further than just medication. The medication helps me be able to actually do those things. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it is a symbiotic relationship.
Speaker 3:That's why when you need to fix something, you grab a toolkit mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you don't just grab a hammer mm-hmm.<affirmative> and hope for the best. Mm-hmm.<affirmative><laugh>. You don't just go in with a single flathead screwdriver and assume that you're gonna have all the tools you need because you
Speaker 2:Won't. You might, but there's like a slim chance.
Speaker 3:There's a slim I was like a flathead screwdriver. Like there's a slim chance that that's the only thing you'll need. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But here's like a paragraph from this article to give everyone an idea of what this gamified treatment is.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, I'm already interested with the whole gamified thing. You know how I, you know how my brain is
Speaker 2:ADHD brains
Speaker 3:Love that. I love to play. Yes. And I love to win. Yes. So I, I went to a<laugh>, went to a baby shower today. Yeah. Which like, congrats to like my first college bestie mm-hmm.<affirmative> who's having a child. It's a very interesting moment for me as an adult<laugh>, but I'm very excited for them. And I did win, I did win one of the prizes.
Speaker 2:Heck
Speaker 3:Yeah, you did. It was a candle and it smelled
Speaker 2:Delicious. It's a very nice candle.
Speaker 3:It's a very nice candle. Sorry. No, you're good. I'm just thinking. I was like, wow, I, I won something today. Take that. You sure did take that world.<laugh>.
Speaker 2:Do you wanna hear more about games?
Speaker 3:You do. I do. I do. I really do. All
Speaker 2:Right. Current training uses arcade style video games that target different components of the central executive functions associated with working memory. As they practice, researchers can see changes in the working memory deficits associated with A D H D that translate into improvements in learning, impulse control, planning, organizing and emotion regulation.
Speaker 3:Where can I sign up for this study?<laugh>. Can I be a part of something like this? I, or is it just the babies? Is it just the children?
Speaker 2:I was gonna say from this article, it looks like right now they are targeting preschool or kindergarten. Um, but you are pretty short, so maybe you could off<laugh>. Uh, so it looks like it's arcade games and video games that help you like practice using parts of your brain that need a little bit of exercise. And that sounds ra as heck. Uh, it looks like they're looking to see how that affects kids if they get into that training super early and how that affects kids in tandem with this parent focused behavioral training. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but very exciting news. Would love for the day that that's available to us grownups please. And we will, we'll keep you posted.
Speaker 3:Like make it an app. I will be participating in that study all day.
Speaker 2:Yes. That would be so
Speaker 3:Fun. You know, probably an in indicator to all of us. I, but uh, it's like
Speaker 2:You'd be too powerful. I think if you just had that as an app and played all the time, you would be too powerful.
Speaker 3:My neural flexibility. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> would be like a Russian ballet dancer.
Speaker 2:<laugh>.
Speaker 3:<laugh>. It would be so flexible. It kind of makes your head hurt a little when you look at how they're moving their bodies. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you get like a ghost stretch, pain,
Speaker 2:<laugh>, you know, it's like watching a contortionist come out of like a small box and you're like, I literally cannot hold that shape in my brain and understand it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So nevermind. They can't make an app.<laugh>.
Speaker 3:<laugh>. I need to be stopped. Yeah. I need
Speaker 2:To be Subed<laugh>. Otherwise that's just not fair to anyone else.
Speaker 3:<laugh>. Yeah. No, that's fair.
Speaker 2:All right. Onto the next article.
Speaker 3:Onto the next article.
Speaker 2:Radical. Uh,
Speaker 3:So this is very fun for me. I just get to like, comment on things you're reading. This is nice. Yeah. I I didn't come very prepared folks.
Speaker 2:<laugh>. That's okay. And this is great for me too, cuz I just get to like read stuff and not have to come up with anything to say. So Yeah. Winning.
Speaker 3:You do have to deal with my constant presence and chirps throughout it. But, you know,
Speaker 2:I mean, we have been doing a podcast together for two and a half years. I did know what I signed up for
Speaker 3:<laugh>. Fair.
Speaker 2:Fair. And that's half the fun. No one wants to just listen to me read articles. You're providing a, a crucial public service.
Speaker 3:You're so welcome.<laugh>. God,
Speaker 2:Thank you. Bestie
Speaker 3:The burden I bear like anything for you bestie, but the
Speaker 2:Burden. You what?
Speaker 3:Hold on. I need to go eat an entire salmon hole. Where's Florence Pugh with's her fish
Speaker 2:<laugh> for certainly not the first and certainly not the last time on this podcast. Florence Pugh call us please.
Speaker 3:We would love to talk about your vogue photo shoot where you hold a, an actual fish. I would love to know if it was an actual fish because<laugh>, I really would like to know if the executives at Vogue were like, yes, we are okay with Florence Pugh Hollywood Superstar holding a live fish with our fancy designer clothes.
Speaker 2:Let's just get some, some marine juices all over this like$5,000 gown.
Speaker 3:Let's brine up this British actress. Let's just get her all fished
Speaker 2:Up. It's gonna smell so great in here.
Speaker 3:It's gonna be so fun. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I really need to know if it's a real fish. I'm dying. Smell.
Speaker 2:I'm, yeah. Very curious,
Speaker 3:Honestly. And, and also I'm just like, the fact that she, like it's the most ridiculous picture objectively mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Right. I feel like it's just, it's ridiculous and silly. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but she still looks so cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's like, yeah. She's like, I'm holding a giant fish. What of it?
Speaker 2:Of course I am. I did not know about this photo until today. Uh, and Lex pick me up to go to the plant store,<laugh>. And
Speaker 3:They were like, we, we got, we both spent maybe a little too much money at the plant store today, but like, it was really worth
Speaker 2:It. It was, it's January.
Speaker 3:It's January.
Speaker 2:We need some green, we
Speaker 3:Need some green. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Sorry. So we were on the way to the plant store.
Speaker 2:Yes. And
Speaker 3:You Googled it while I was driving. Yes.
Speaker 2:But you started talking about it while we were driving. You were like, so you know the Florence pew fish photo and I was like, the what? Huh? I did not. And then I googled it and I saw it and we'll, we'll post that on, on the social medias for y'all if you haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3:It's really incredible.<laugh>. It's really incredible. I wanna get it like framed and hung up at our house.<laugh>
Speaker 2:Just add to the next wall of stuff. What's like what that the gun char off poster
Speaker 3:<laugh>. The the fake SCS AZ film poster. Yep. Yep. Oh, that's all we have so far, but oh, and our nine 11 poster
Speaker 2:<laugh>, that one we have. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But it can go in
Speaker 2:The collection. That's true. True.
Speaker 3:That's true. With like weird things. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sounds good. Uh, so this next article Oh
Speaker 3:Right,
Speaker 2:Is titled Teens with a d h D Do not report Worse Quality of Life, which is great. This is from October of this year. Uh, and it was from the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney. And the team compared, uh, quality of life ratings collected from 393 adolescents, uh, both with and without an d h diagnosis. Um, they found that compared with teens without an A D H ADHD diagnosis, those with A D H D reported similar quality of life on the child health utility on, on a bunch of diagnostic scales that I'm not gonna read to you.<laugh>. Um,
Speaker 3:Wait, okay. And this was 393 Australian kids. Australian teens?
Speaker 2:I don't know. It doesn't say where they got the teens.
Speaker 3:Where'd you get them? Teens. Sydnee.
Speaker 2:Where'd you find those kiddos?
Speaker 3:Where'd you get them
Speaker 2:Kids? Where'd you pick them up? Huh?
Speaker 3:Neighbor down the street. I tried him once.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh. We're on so many lists already.<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Um, but I ask about the teens because if they're all from Australia mm-hmm.<affirmative> respectfully. It is so sunny there. I don't trust those. It is so nice out there.
Speaker 2:That's fair. But I think the crucial thing is that it was in comparison with teens without a D H D. So I would think that if the quality of life rating from teens with H ADHD was higher than it would be otherwise because of the sun, the rating from teens without H ADHD would also be higher. Yeah. So they would still be the same distance apart.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Maybe.
Speaker 3:Sure.
Speaker 2:I don't know. That's a great question.
Speaker 3:And also sample size of 393 teens. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> just ain't ain't that big.
Speaker 2:It's not. That's true. There's a lot of research to, I'm sorry do on this topic still. I will fully acknowledge that.
Speaker 3:Not to all over a study, but
Speaker 2:No, that's, that's fair. I mean that's how science works. That's how new studies gets written is so that you can reference the old ones and be like, Hey, us. You are wrong. And here's why.
Speaker 3:That really is how it goes. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you're like, Hey Fucko. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Hey Fucko, here's your theory.
Speaker 2:That's gonna be one of my dopamine trampolines. One day is just specifically scientific articles that cite other scientific articles or are written directly in response to dunk on them.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:It's good.
Speaker 3:It's really good. It's great. It's a really good, like people going out of their way and putting in a lot of effort to be petty<laugh>. I just eat that up.
Speaker 2:It's so good. It's so good. Um, one of the other important things that this article notes, and that will probably be a topic of further study, is that these quality of life ratings were in like general health, happiness, and peer trust. However, what they call psychological sense of school membership, uh, which I'm assuming is how much you feel like you
Speaker 3:Looking at school. Do you feel like you
Speaker 2:Fit in? Yeah.
Speaker 3:Um, scientists, you can just say things in a normal way. It's true. Like do you know that? Yeah. Do do you do you scientists?
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so,
Speaker 3:But it's so irritating sometimes<laugh>, I swear<laugh> and then people think I'm dumb cuz I'm like just saying things and I'm like, well, at least I can explain stuff to like a five year old,
Speaker 2:You know? Yeah. There's a time and a place for fancy language like that. But this is a like four paragraph summary of an article about kids' feelings.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>. So yeah. If you feel like you fit in at school. And also, um, the two other things that they measured, academic self-concept and self-efficacy were worse for adolescents with an ADHD diagnosis. So it seems like they feel okay about life and their peers, but feel a little bit less good about how they're doing in school, which is fair
Speaker 3:Par for the course.
Speaker 2:It's also good information when you are trying to figure out how to target your efforts in helping those kids. So yeah. Interesting findings. I think there will be a lot to continue studying there and we'll, we'll see, we'll see how that one goes. I think that will maybe be something we don't leave behind in 2022. Maybe we'll hear about a follow up.
Speaker 3:We'll hear more about these Australian teens.
Speaker 2:We sure might.
Speaker 3:<laugh> sounds like I'm promoting the next like, weird season of like Junior Love Island<laugh>.
Speaker 2:I was just imagining, what was that like mermaid show? That was Australian. Oh, H two O. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3:No,
Speaker 2:No. Don't make me go to school<laugh>. That's the only thing I can say in an Australian accent is No, no. So the rest of it's kind of weak, but get a lot of mileage, get a lot of vowels in that. No, there.
Speaker 3:Yeah. No, I mean the reason I haven't said anything else to dunk on Australians in an Australian accent is because it is one of the few accents that I can't do. I'm just kidding. It's one of the many accents that I can't do.<laugh>
Speaker 2:I can't, I can't judge you for that. I can do some like, decent ish British accents.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's just so easy.
Speaker 2:It is, it is. It's so easy And on, on a good day I can get into like, like a Georgian Southern.
Speaker 3:Mm. Yes.
Speaker 2:But I don't know, we didn't learn that in school.
Speaker 3:It's not really super useful unless you actively are trying to instigate a fight
Speaker 2:Or get parts as people from other places in the world.
Speaker 3:True.
Speaker 2:But
Speaker 3:I didn't really think about the acting aspect. I was like, why do we even talk in other people's accents? Oh yeah. To make fun of them.<laugh> says so much about me. Oh, well.
Speaker 2:Yep. Yep. All right. Next article.<laugh> two more. This is the second to last one. There were a couple of articles about this. This is the summary from the National Institutes of Health and
Speaker 3:We really thought you were gonna say National Institute of Hell. And I was like, okay, so
Speaker 2:We have one of those.
Speaker 3:I was like, dang.
Speaker 2:Is that the, just the i s
Speaker 3:That's kinda mean to the irs. They can't help that Republicans have continually cut their budget year after year after year. True. And then that's true. They're literally like, they take all of the tools away from the i r s take all of the like smooth ability to like, make taxes even remotely easier. And then they're like, look how bad this is. Yeah. Like they take everything away and they're like, look how bad they're doing. Yeah. So the next time you feel like you need to on the i r s, remember who's responsible. Yeah. Because it's Reagan. It's always Reagan Did, you know, other countries will, like, there are some other countries that their taxes basically get done for them and then they get a letter in the mail that's like, here's how much you owe for taxes. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>. I did know that.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:No, that's fair. I think what, what I'm trying to say is probably working at the I r s is hell at this point. Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Um, but no, this is the National Institutes of Health.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, I got it. I,
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. Just wanted to make sure that was clear for everybody. Yep. This was from the end of November of 2022. The title of this article is Simulated Driving Program Reduces Crash Risk for Teens with A D H D in Small Study. So again, this is another small study. This is not like groundbreaking nationwide game changer information, but, uh, it's, it's promising and kind of cool. Uh, it's another kind of gamified way of helping people develop skills. Uh, so this study was conducted by the Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center and was about a program called Focal, which stands for Focused Concentration and Attention Learning. Uh, it was a computer based program that teaches neurotypical teen drivers to limit long glances away from the roadway. And for this study in particular, the researchers enhanced this training by adding a driving simulator that provides immediate feedback on long glances. They called the combined training Focal Plus Very creative guys. Well done<laugh>. Um,
Speaker 3:Something tells me in your tone that you don't think it was well done or creative, but Hmm. It's just something I'm picking up. You know, because we're so connected Besty,
Speaker 2:We are so connected. Besty<laugh>. Um, yeah. Get
Speaker 3:'em, get a
Speaker 2:Bestie<laugh>. I realized that across this study, that was probably not the thing that required the most work, but I couldn't do a study like this. I don't have the science skills involved, so I shouldn't judge anybody for not having the, the writing skills involved to come up with something a little, little catchier. You know, maybe when this finally goes to market and there's some like, you know, market research done. Some, some copy, some copy written up for this bad boy. The name will go hopped a bit. That's
Speaker 3:Fine. All right. Well, uh, it's very diplomatic of you<laugh> completely unsurprising that you are the kinder and more gracious of us.<laugh> and I will continue to rely on that persona so that I don't have to pick up as much nice slack.
Speaker 2:Fair enough. Fair enough.
Speaker 3:Um, it's cool though.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So don't wanna tell Elon though, don't tell Elon this is happening.
Speaker 2:No,
Speaker 3:Don't let him in on it. No.
Speaker 2:There's absolutely no reason for that.
Speaker 3:There's no reason for anything. He does though.
Speaker 2:Did
Speaker 3:You see? Don't let him.
Speaker 2:Did you see the Twitter thread of like, somebody throwing like a bowling ball or a brick at one of the like Tesla truck windows and it bouncing back and then being like, these windows are impenetrable. This is so cool. No.
Speaker 3:Oh, but oh wait. And then it's followed up by other people trying the same thing at home and then it's
Speaker 2:No, no, it's followed up by everyone going, do you absolute cracks. Understand why windows are designed to break. They figured this out in like the sixties. You dumb have so much fun hitting that windshield and having all of the energy instead of breaking the windshield be transferred into your body and turning your brain into a milkshake.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. Like crash, like crash dummies. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> things that happen to crash. Dummy. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I don't want anyone to die for the point to be made, but I suspect that will be the case. And bearing that in mind, I will probably still laugh.
Speaker 2:I don't want anybody to die,
Speaker 3:But if someone dies, at least they had a really hilarious death.
Speaker 2:I, I hope that people realize how unbelievably stupid that is before then, but I am not confident that's going to happen. So, um, why? Sorry about your skulls. Sorry about all your bones.
Speaker 3:Sorry about your little milkshake brains.
Speaker 2:I can't, I don't know what else to say there. It's just so mind bogglingly stupid. Next
Speaker 3:Article.
Speaker 2:Oh, quick wrap up on Focal Plus.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Uh, this was a sample size of 152 teens, so pretty small, but it's a start. And, okay. So after completing this training, the students' vehicles were fitted with cameras attached to the rear view mirror to track where their eyes were when they were driving in real life. Um, cuz the, the main focus of this was to try and reduce the amount of time people spent looking away from the road. Um, that's gonna happen a little bit, you know, you have to look beside you to merge or whatever, but trying to minimize that time. And they did find during the year of driving, after they were involved in this game study group, the group that did participate had 76% fewer long glances than the control group. Uh, and in addition, the rate of crashes and near crashes in the focal plus group was 3.4% compared to 5.6% for the control group. So, pretty neat.
Speaker 3:Pretty, pretty neat.
Speaker 2:Another game. Another game. You love it.
Speaker 3:We, we do love games. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. All right. Last one. Let's
Speaker 2:Go. All right. Last one. And this one is I think, the most relevant to us, aside from the whole Adderall shortage thing, but exciting news from September of 2022, the American Professional Society of A D H D and related disorders finally made plans to develop the nation's first guidelines for diagnosing and treating attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in adults.
Speaker 3:Thank
Speaker 2:I know<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah. The, the current guidelines that exist in the DSM and across the, like psychological profession were developed for and based on children and adolescences. I, we all know that. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, there's, there's a huge kind of perception of ADHD as being a disorder that children have.
Speaker 3:Like specifically like just little boys. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>, little white boys. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And that's, that's, there's many problems to unpack in there, but they're finally looking at how to affects adults because it does mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Uh, and that will be very exciting and help more people get the help that they need,
Speaker 3:Which we love.
Speaker 2:Yes. Interestingly, this is a whole mess that we can dive into in another episode or don't, but the article states that the decision to develop the guidance largely stems from specialists concerns that telehealth startups like Cerebral and Dunn have over-prescribed stimulants throughout the pandemic. In March, the journal reported that some cerebral clinicians said they felt pressure to prescribe stimulants such as Adderall to patients after a 30 minute evaluation, which they said was not enough time to properly diagnose A D H D. So, you know, we are all for people getting the medication that they need, and hopefully this will help more people get what they need if they really need it and help people who don't need it. Skip figure out.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Figure out what, what you do need
Speaker 2:<laugh>. Yeah. So
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's like very exciting. But then also at the same time, like, okay, I see how it is. You didn't really care about this until there was an Adderall shortage. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, people started complaining online about how many people seem to have a D H D now<laugh> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I see how it is.
Speaker 2:<laugh>. And I mean, there, there are many factors that contribute to that, but hopefully this will help people get the help that they actually need.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It'll be interesting to see where that train of study goes. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they are saying that they expect the guidelines to be released this year. So definitely expect some more information on that at some point. I'm sure. We'll,
Speaker 3:<laugh>, eventual new me new year. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> new phone who
Speaker 2:Disk. I'm sure we'll have something to say about it
Speaker 3:Eventually. Yep. We always do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That is the A D H D news from 2022. Uh, a couple interesting articles that hopefully we will revisit in here a little bit more about in this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. Great. That's what I got. I feel like it probably worth noting, like, there are so, so many studies, like literally Oh yeah. Like, there's people doing like 15 to 20 studies a week that come out about adhd. These were just some highlights and some things that we thought were interesting enough to talk about on a podcast mm-hmm.<affirmative>, because like I said, there were a, there were a lot, there were, there were a lot pages upon pages mm-hmm.<affirmative>. It's like, yeah, I'll, I'll look into some ADHD 2022 news and then I start sorting through all this and I'm like, oh my God, could we have less news? Please. Yeah. Yeah. I need less news.<laugh> Generally I need less news.
Speaker 2:Amen to that.
Speaker 3:Speaking of amen, since we talked about our 2022 highlights, I think it means it's time for us to move onto a very special dopamine trampoline.
Speaker 2:Yes. Uh, we are doing a very special dopamine trampoline celebrating 2022, the year of twos. So we are doing a double dopamine trampoline. Lex, do you wanna tell'em what that means?
Speaker 3:A double dopamine is when it's something that both me and Jordan get dopamine from.
Speaker 2:We sure do.
Speaker 3:And if you're wondering, why are you talking in an accent and why did you make an emphasis about the word? Amen. You're not normally very religious. Lex, this is a weird twist for you in this podcast. Well, I'll tell you, it's because in this episode, we do pray, we pray to our Lord and Savior Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Because our first official double dope meme
Speaker 2:Is Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3:Is Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2:Yes. Ugh. Uh, we, we both love her. We have a picture of her by our door. Yes. We both enjoy her music. It makes quite an appearance on many of our road trip playlists. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and beyond. And they just think she's neat. She does a lot of cool stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She's her own woman. She's an incredibly talented artist, uh, and has just a heart that inspires me to be a better person.
Speaker 3:Yes. Yes. She's like, let's start with like surface stuff. Right? Yes. Clearly has always been a smoke show, will always be a smoke show. Truth. I'm, this is not me. Like objectifying Dolly Parton, this is me speaking truth. Amen. Not just facts, truth. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>. So jot that down.
Speaker 2:Smoke
Speaker 3:Show, smoke show. If we could all be so lucky if we could all be so lucky. Digging a little deeper, you'll see like her appearances in film and tv. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>,
Speaker 2:Uh, multi-talented beyond triple threat.
Speaker 3:Yes. Uh, and then moving on from that, you see her influence in pop culture generally. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, like, don't even get me started on the drag culture surrounding Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2:Don't even get me started on the movie Dumpling, specifically on
Speaker 3:The movie Dublin specifically. Oh my
Speaker 2:God. Another double dopamine for sure. But like circling back real fast to her looks. Yeah. One thing that I just hugely, hugely respect is that,
Speaker 3:Hugely<laugh> is this about her boobs? Cuz they're huge. They
Speaker 2:Are. No, you're correct.
Speaker 3:And I, again, if I, and
Speaker 2:I respect them
Speaker 3:Yes.<laugh>, yes.
Speaker 2:But what I was actually going to say is how she owns the way that she looks and chooses that for herself and is always one step ahead of anybody who wants to make a comment about it or judge her about it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, she just like, takes it in stride and takes more power from it and is just ahead of the curve and totally herself. And
Speaker 3:A icon.
Speaker 2:A icon. And this is, this is like a fun little history thing I'll pop into. Yes. You've probably heard of this podcast if you've literally ever listened to podcasts, which we're assuming you do because this is a podcast. Anyways, Dolly Parton's America, incredible podcast, mini series, uh, learn a lot more about her life. But one thing that I learned from listening to this was that her look that she created for herself mm-hmm.<affirmative> was based on and inspired by somebody that she referred to as like the town tramp. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> like the woman in her town growing up who was, you know, treated as kind of a fluey by like everybody else in town and viewed in that negative light. She went, that's beautiful. And, and, and chose it and made it her own. And I just think that's so rad.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, she saw what people wanted mm-hmm.<affirmative> what people, no matter how they referred to it, what people desired mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And she took that and she understands. She understands people. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, like she, oh my gosh. Okay. So going back though to just some layers, right? We, we, we have her appearance knockout the smarts behind it. Amazing. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, we've got her influence culturally, pop culture, movies, tv, film, et cetera. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and then as Jordan said, incredibly talented musician. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I don't think y'all understand. Well some of you may have the same passion as us and you're probably like Yes, yes, of course. Yes. Um, which like hell Yeah. But if you don't know Dolly Parton has written more songs than any other, like, than than almost any other artist besides like, probably like John Lennon I think. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and Paul McCartney might still top her at this point, but like, it's close. Yeah. And people don't think about that. Like, you know, I will Always Love You famously performed by like Whitney Houston
Speaker 2:That's originally by Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3:Yeah. She wrote that
Speaker 2:And she wrote it on the same day as she wrote Light of a Clear Blue Morning,
Speaker 3:Which she wrote,
Speaker 2:Can You Believe that?
Speaker 3:Which she wrote while driving Uhhuh<affirmative>, she just wrote it in her head and then like made two of her absolute best banger songs in one day
Speaker 2:In one Go.
Speaker 3:And it was after she had quit her job. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It was after she quit basically her contract relationship with like the artist who kind of made her famous and like put her on television. Um, which was a very brave thing to do. But yeah, she was driving away from that conversation. She wrote, I Will Always Love You and Light of a Clear Blue Morning.
Speaker 3:Like two of the most emotionally
Speaker 2:Rich.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Emotionally rich, musically beautiful.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm<affirmative>. Well that's the thing I think that she doesn't get as much credit for either is beyond being a singer, beyond being a songwriter, how many instruments she plays, like all of'em.
Speaker 3:All of them.
Speaker 2:She even, there's a video of her playing like the beat of a song on her acrylic nails. She can do anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Going back to, uh, Dolly Parton's America Great podcast would definitely recommend mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's just like a mini-series so there's not that many episodes and it's like very cool mm-hmm.<affirmative> because it's about Dolly Parton and it's like, I don't know, I think it, it touches on a lot of things that aren't necessarily readily available unless you're like, I'm gonna do some digging and learn about Dolly Parton today. Yeah. Because given that she's someone with so much talent and so Oh yeah, that's the other thing we haven't even touched on her philanthropic endeavor.
Speaker 2:Oh
Speaker 3:Yeah. Like the things that she does for her home state of Tennessee mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it, it's, it's like I, if only all rich people were, were like this. Yeah. Like I, if we would have a better place to live,
Speaker 2:I think. Yeah. Well and the things that she does for people around the world, cuz obviously like a lot of her, her time and effort and money goes back into her community, but like the program that she has where she sends free books to kids under five across the, across the entire country mm-hmm.<affirmative> just because reading is important and reading with your kids is important.
Speaker 3:Yes. The the other thing that I think we can all appreciate about Dolly Parton, regardless of how you feel or who you voted for, like Dolly Parton is something of an apolitical figure. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, right? Like, doesn't really matter who you are, we all love Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I think she does that with like an incredible amount of respect. And that's something that Dolly Parton's America kind of touches on is like, the reason that they were really interested in her and her persona as a, in the first place is because of her popularity. Like across so many different groups mm-hmm.<affirmative> of people
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>, uh, she just does it with so much grace. I particularly really appreciate how she, she's always been like very vocal about like her faith being a part of her life mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but she, she speaks to that and like how much of a motivation for like kindness and like recognizing the goodness and divinity in like everybody like Yeah. I think that that's beautiful. And how much she's been a very, very vocal supporter of the community mm-hmm.<affirmative> since way before, you know, the last couple years. Like post aids where like that's become more mainstream. Like since
Speaker 3:She's been a supporter for a long time. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. I think that's the thing is like nobody has ever come away. Like there like you can try and Google it. There are very few people who have a problem with Dolly Parton. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, like, there are just so few people who have even a, the slightest negative reaction like interaction with her mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I think that it really is like a credit to how gracefully she holds herself mm-hmm.<affirmative> and how, how well she understands people to be able to empathize and connect and make so many different people feel seen and heard and cared for and loved mm-hmm.<affirmative> just by being herself and being open and kind. Yeah. And I think it's just really incredible. So it's like, yes, she's super, super hot. Yes. She's super talented and we enjoy her music and the movies she's in and like all of those other things. But I think what really draws both of us, I think to Dolly Parton,<affirmative> is just like how, just how good she is a being a person. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean that's something I know we've talked about before and is like the reason that we, we, you and me mm-hmm.<affirmative> founded a production company and like Yeah. The methodology behind like our artistic statement is like, we want to make space for people's human experiences and like mm-hmm.<affirmative> the love that everyone deserves and she embodies that. Yeah. So, so beautifully.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I fall short of that so often. Right. But like, it's just really, it's, it's so admirable mm-hmm.<affirmative> to see this woman who's just been like that mm-hmm.<affirmative> her whole life. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So Yeah. We have like a picture of her in our house cuz seeing her just sort of remind, reminds us that like, hey, it might be January, but it's gonna be okay. Put on some two doors down mm-hmm.<affirmative> and you'll be fine. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know. Yeah. Maybe watch Dumpling cry a little bit
Speaker 2:And cry a lot bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3:<laugh>,
Speaker 2:You know, maybe some, some nine to five. We need to watch that.
Speaker 3:We need to watch nine to five and we need, need to watch. Um,
Speaker 2:That's a little who house in Texas. Yes. Yes. We do. We
Speaker 3:We need to watch so much. We need to watch<laugh>, all of her episodes in Hannah Montana. Like, we need to, we need to do a proper A to Z Dolly Parton appearances marathon and or ongoing Yeah. Thing because it's completely a lot more than we're thinking of. That's,
Speaker 2:That's true. Might be worth looking into if that's like a, you can do like a Lord of the Rings kind of day out of it or if that's gonna be like a, like a Dolly Parton book club situation.
Speaker 3:Yeah. All that said, we both really like Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2:We both really respect and admire Dolly Parton and I, I, I wanna acknowledge that she is a person and we don't wanna like, put her up on a pedestal that is above the human experience because I think it's really worth pointing out and remembering that she is a human and manages to do all of
Speaker 3:This. Absolutely. Um, however, will I build a platform with my own bare hands to get her up there?<laugh> maybe like, she's not on a pedestal, but she does have a platform.
Speaker 2:She does have a good view. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. We just think she's neat.
Speaker 3:Just think she's neat. What's your favorite Dolly Parton song?
Speaker 2:Oh gosh. I mean, I have a soft spot for light of a Clear Blue Morning. Yeah. Um, Tennessee Mountain Home is another top one for me. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, and nine to five just on principle
Speaker 3:<laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. I was waiting for you to be like, well I have to choose nine to five<laugh><laugh>.
Speaker 2:It's my top three. I don't think I can narrow it down more than that. What about you? It's
Speaker 3:So fair. Here you come again. Mm.
Speaker 2:Also
Speaker 3:Good. Uh, also light of the clear blue blue morning, you know, it gets us both. Like, I remember why we were listening to it in the car mm-hmm.<affirmative> on a morning mm-hmm.<affirmative> like in a, on a morning drive sometime like two years ago. And we both were just like quietly crying. It was really, really objectively furious
Speaker 2:<laugh>. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 3:But at the time I remember we both were just like, oh,
Speaker 2:Dolly, we're really in
Speaker 3:It now.<laugh>. Yeah. Oh, Dolly. We're really in it now. Like, oh my gosh. But I think my absolute favorite that I can't really deny it not being my favorite is two doors down. Mm. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. It is just so, I don't know, like one of my favorite memories and we really do have her music on a lot of road trip playlists. Yeah. We do. Is like, these, these two things that I'm talking about are like road trip mm-hmm.<affirmative> adjacent. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But I remember Jordan and our, um, our old roommate Camie, and also one of our other besties.
Speaker 2:Hi Camie, I miss
Speaker 3:You. Love you so much. Um, but they both came to visit my family in Michigan a couple years back mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And we were driving down like a back road that I took to and from school every day. And we had the windows down and it was summertime and we were listening to Dolly Parton and two doors down. Come on,<laugh>. And it's just such a like, I mean, if you wanna get into like lyrically breaking it down, it's such a good, like self-advocacy boost. Oh yeah. Like, you know what? No, I am sad and that's okay, but I'm tired of crying. I'm tired of moping. I'm gonna go go down the hall, make some friends and find myself a new man to make out with back down the hall.
Speaker 2:<laugh>. Like, I'm gonna turn it around and I'm going to find happiness for myself. Yeah. Hell yes I am.
Speaker 3:Yes. And all to like the backdrop of like just a relaxed party fun atmosphere. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> where it's like everyone's just having a good time and like, like when I think of like my home in Michigan and my family, I'm like, yeah. Like that's, that's like my family part. Like my family has parties that remind me of two doors down. Mm. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I feel like Jor you can attest to that. Like just Oh yeah. Very like, comfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I've, I've been to your family parties and that's how my family parties too is just like, we're all here to have a good time together.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And we're all gonna be welcoming. Yes. But like, we're not gonna back off from like teasing you on having fun<laugh> and like having some drinks and it's like, I don't know. Anyway, so two doors down is definitely my favorite, but
Speaker 2:Followed one. It's, it's hard to pick a favorite. There are. That's so hard. So many bangers.
Speaker 3:So many bangers. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thanks for everything Dolly.
Speaker 3:Thank you for everything
Speaker 2:Dolly. Anything else we got before we close this one out?
Speaker 3:Let's sign this out and go listen to some Dolly.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah. This has been or learn parkour from wholehearted production company.
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Speaker 3:Thank you as well to Tom Rosenthal for our intro on outro song. There is a dark place off of the album. Keep a private room behind the shop.
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Speaker 2:That you can
Speaker 3:Please.
Speaker 2:Would be would be really nice. Be so cool. We don't make money, money on this podcast. And we're saving up to go to Dollywood this summer. So
Speaker 3:We actually are. That's not a bit, we're, we're trying to go to Dollywood this summer. Would
Speaker 2:Love to do that. We've been waiting for so
Speaker 3:Long.<laugh>, we've been waiting for so long. We were planning it before the Panorama. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> as the kids call it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative>. Yeah. Before that panini was toasted. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, do we have an outro question or a joke?
Speaker 3:No, I really just wanna go listen
Speaker 2:To Dolly. Let's do it. I'm Jordan, I'm Lex, and this has been Orland Parkour. See you in two weeks.
