Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
Or, Learn Parkour: An ADHD Podcast
OLP 042: Life, the Universe, and Adderall
In this episode, Lex and Jordan discuss the current Adderall shortage- why it's happening, what to expect, and how to keep yourself safe and sane while navigating the drought. Plus, jigsaw puzzle hacks, 80's animation we can't forget, and the sweetest flips yet. As always, take care of yourselves and take care of each other.
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CW/TW: Mental health, ADHD, loud noises, yelling, mouth noises, coughing, drug use, opioid use and the opioid epidemic, drug overdose,depression, suicide
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There is a dark place, but I'm not going there. No, no, no. On my way there is a, I'm going No, no, no. On.
Speaker 2:Hi, I'm Jordan. And I'm Lex. And this is or Learn Parkour.
Speaker 3:It's a podcast about adhd done by two complete idiots who have adhd.
Speaker 2:We sure are. And we Sure, sure do.
Speaker 3:We sure do.
Speaker 2:Still,
Speaker 3:I feel like we say it every single time, but it really just bears repeating. I think that, yeah. A this is not a podcast about Park Core. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> It is instead a podcast about adhd. But we are not doctors, we are not therapists. We are not medical providers of any kind. And anything we say take with like several grains of salt, whole
Speaker 2:Box of
Speaker 3:Salt. Cause like I said, two idiots,
Speaker 2:Whole box of Morton Kosher. Just hold tight to that and uh, hold tight to your butts cuz we're gonna talk about adhd. Uh, we're gonna get off topic cause we have adhd. Yeah. Um, we're gonna dry Brian our turkeys with that salt and uh, we're gonna let it rip. Well,
Speaker 3:We are gonna rinse the, the Bri off before we put in the oven just because like, I'm watching my sodium intake cause like family health problems that I've been warned about. I do appreciate that you washed the, the salt rub off this year. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then we're gonna pat it down with some, uh, paper towels, make sure it's nice and dry so we get that crispy skin. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And then I take a little bit of Pam, a little bit of spray. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> not your Aunt Pam.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would, I would hope. And also, if she had been here this weekend for Friendsgiving and didn't say hi to me, I'd be like the Aunt Pam. That would be
Speaker 2:Heartbreaking.
Speaker 3:It'd be heartbreaking. And like, I can't imagine she would ever do that. Yeah. But like, I'd be so hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, yeah. Just to clarify, just the, uh, the Pam that normally lives in our kitchen, not your Aunt Pam.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Like the spray. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So you put that on the Turkey.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Give it a little
Speaker 3:Yeah. Kind of like how you would give like an egg wash to a pastry. Yes. Crisp it up a little.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:I've been living with a baker chef for at least four years. Can you tell?
Speaker 2:I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you.
Speaker 2:You've learned so much.
Speaker 3:Thank you. It is funny because I used to work in a kitchen. Yeah. Just like never when I knew Jordan. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like, you also know a lot to begin with. But I feel like our, our culinary skills are melding. We're becoming so powerful.
Speaker 3:We are the same. You and I.
Speaker 2:<laugh>
Speaker 3:Hey Tbt to our Friendsgiving where I very loudly quoted the heartbeat from the last unicorn at one of your coworkers
Speaker 2:Who was very entertained and talked to me this morning about how that was so funny. And now they wanna watch the last unicorn again. Did they really? Really? Yeah. But anyways,<laugh>, we're gonna have to cut this out cuz I
Speaker 3:Don't, but yes. We're so in sync. You and I
Speaker 2:<laugh>,
Speaker 3:Um, in a fun little paraphrase of the heartbeat from the last unicorn
Speaker 2:We're so in sync. You and I
Speaker 3:<laugh> we're so in sync. You and I, this heartbeat has haunted my dreams.<laugh>, like live, like sleeping and waking. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> the heartbeat with like multiple saggy who just, the only line I can remember her delivering in that entire movie is just, we're the same, you and I. And it's like,
Speaker 2:Why?
Speaker 3:Well, because, okay, so here's the thing. The last unicorn, the titular last unicorn mm-hmm.<affirmative> that the movie, in the book The Last Unicorn is about, is trapped at like a sort of like curiosity's carnival.
Speaker 2:Oh
Speaker 3:No. And is trapped with like, basically all of the, like all of the magical animals. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> that mommy Fortuna the like witch who's trapped all of these animals and the unicorn, um, they're all regular animals, but they've had like enchantments put on them to make them look like manicures or like the serpent around the world. Like things like that are a lot scarier. And then the heartbeat and the unicorn don't, well the unicorn only like the purist of hearts can actually see a unicorn. So she just looks like a horse to most people. So mommy Fortuna gives her like a fake horn uhhuh on top of her other horn. Interesting. So that like, people can see that it's that she's trapped a unicorn. Yeah. And so the only real magical creatures that are trapped is the unicorn, uhhuh and a heartbeat. Uhhuh and harpes are notoriously in fantasy, lower, uh, in myth, very, very blood thirsty and evil. Oh. Um, sort of like that's how they're portrayed so
Speaker 2:Well. Yikes.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But the heartbeat convinces the unicorn to set her free when the unicorn escapes. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And she does because the unicorn is like, no, no one should be trapped. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But one of the things that the heartbeat says to the unicorn is, we're the same you and die.
Speaker 2:Can we get that one more time just for the record?
Speaker 3:No. So many times<laugh> Just kidding. We're the same. You and
Speaker 2:There is. Thank you. There
Speaker 3:We go. Now we're, now we're Oh no. Like looking over at the levels and I'm like, none of them are red, but I don't know how that's
Speaker 2:Cuz I turned that off.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay. So they're gonna be red when they come onto my computer to edit it. Yeah. That's fun. Okay. Well, so anyways, the last unicorn. Great movie. Not my DT this week, but it probably could be my DT any week. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've never seen it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we should. That's what we, we should
Speaker 2:Do. Oh, we should. That sounds like a very good plan. I would love to watch the last unicorn. So I understand this reference because you do make it often.
Speaker 3:I do. It's like I said, this heartbeat just lives in my head.<laugh>. Like, it's like she may have freed the heartbeat for mommy fort's. Like cabinet of curiosity, horrible. However, the harpe is still trapped in my mind.<laugh>, she has so many, she has like three or four and they're all saggy.
Speaker 2:Ah. I was like, how many are we talking here?
Speaker 3:But block,
Speaker 2:That's, I feel like three is a higher than average number. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> but more common than you would think. Well,
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's not like, it's uncommon just like when it's this giant like, buzzard looking bird woman thing with like several hanging down like TERs and it's like 1980s animation. So you're just already scared to begin with<laugh>, you know, you know,
Speaker 2:Birds don't even have
Speaker 3:Harpes do cuz they're half woman, half bird.
Speaker 2:Oh yes. Okay.
Speaker 3:Okay. Yeah. Essentially that's a very, like, that's a very watered down explanation of what a heartbeat is, but like Yeah. So
Speaker 2:Sounds like there's, there's a lot of overwhelming things going on there. And the were just kind of the
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, don't even get me started on the tree with. The, we'll watch
Speaker 2:It. Okay. Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm ready for that.
Speaker 3:You'll be fine. Trees
Speaker 2:Defacto do not have though. I know
Speaker 3:That this one does.
Speaker 2:Why?
Speaker 3:It's a magical tree.
Speaker 2:For whom?
Speaker 3:Well, if I tell you who it's for, that might be spoilers.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. I thank you for not spoiling it. I'm just trying to think through
Speaker 3:How a tree could possibly have.
Speaker 2:How a why a tree could possibly need
Speaker 3:To seduce some magician.
Speaker 2:Why would you do that?
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative> ask Peter s Beagle, he's the one who wrote it.
Speaker 2:<laugh>. I have a feeling that none of my questions will be answered even if I watched this movie, but
Speaker 3:No, not at all. Great.
Speaker 2:No,
Speaker 3:Wonderful. I think the only questions that will be answered are gonna be questions that you may have had about me as a person.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay. All right. Well I'll, I'll make sure and keep, uh, keep notes from that to share Yeah. For the next episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Oh, well anyways,<laugh>, this episode is not about the last unicorn, but funnily enough it is about the Adderall shortage.
Speaker 2:<laugh><laugh>. That was a hell of a segue.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just like, lol. Clearly our Adderall has worn off for the day.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>, you know mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So that was kind of the like, haha.
Speaker 2:I
Speaker 3:See. But also maybe the hahaha is like just, I just went for it and made the switch.
Speaker 2:You, you did, you just kick flipped right off of that. And I,
Speaker 3:That's what we do here.
Speaker 2:Respect it. Yeah. Sweet flips. That's been the whole deal. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>. But yeah. Let's kick flip right on into the very depressing news of the past couple months.
Speaker 2:So yeah, today we are talking about the Adderall shortage. Uh, if you're like us, you might have been hearing news about this for at least the last couple months. I feel like I've seen it start in August about, some people were saying that they were having a hard time getting their Adderall prescriptions filled, even though, I don't think at that time they had actually like, declared an official shortage.
Speaker 3:Is that Yeah, no, they hadn't announced, uh, a shortage until October. Oh, okay. Yeah. So the, the FDA announced on October 12th that the Adderall shortage was happening because one of the main suppliers of instant release Adderall, it's a company called Teva, but as far as I'm aware, no affiliation with the shoes. But it could be, I don't know, everything's
Speaker 2:Wild.
Speaker 3:I mean, you like look at like Disney and you're like, well, they own everything, not just silly little kids movies. So. Hmm. Makes you wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like a Unilever situation.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But I can't imagine that like, Teva of like Velcro sandal fame would also be like, do you know what would be a fun business? Venture? Pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 2:<laugh>, prescription grade stimulants.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Um,
Speaker 2:I feel like there's not a lot of manufacturing overlap there, but I, I could be wrong. I could be
Speaker 3:Wrong. We could be so wrong. We're not, we're not professionals. You know,
Speaker 2:I haven't Googled it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Essentially there's this one company that makes the bulk of the Adderall that we use here in the United States. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, and it's this company called Teva, or Teva. I'm not actually sure how they pronounce it. I'm gonna say Teva. Cuz that's how the shoes are pronounced.
Speaker 2:I've heard those shoes are pronounced Teva.
Speaker 3:If Teva's comes out and is like, it's pronounced Teva, it's like the who was like, it's actually Jif.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. Okay. That's fair. That what, you know what I, I mean, that guy goes in the garbage. It's, it's g
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's gif. So like, even if Teva came out to say that, I would be like, the you're called the you mean you're called Tevas. Tevas. Yeah. I got some Tevas
Speaker 2:Sounds like a weird, like vegan canvas. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> fabric that they try and market and keep people from saying it's cotton canvas is, canvas is already vegan. What the are you talking about?
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:That's what Teva would
Speaker 3:Be. That's what Teva would be.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you'd buy like a rain coat made out of it and it'd be like$200, but it'd be canvas. So it would suck.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, so what I'm trying to think right now is like, how many people are gonna start messaging us<laugh> after this episode drops and just be like, well, I say Tava and like, if that's you, that's fine. We love interaction in all its
Speaker 2:Forms. Yeah. You can say whatever you
Speaker 3:Want. Um, just know that you're wrong.<laugh>
Speaker 2:A
Speaker 3:Very, very good thing to say on a podcast to the audience, you're wrong. It's okay that you're wrong. Like, it's okay. You're allowed to be wrong. That's fine. But you are wrong.
Speaker 2:It's actually only Tavas if it's from the Velcro region of France. Not, uh, just sparkling sandals.
Speaker 3:<laugh>. See now there's a good, good joke.<laugh>, sorry. I mean that in like terms of like Teva that made it sound like Jordan just tries to hit me with zingers all day every day. And I'm like, no,<laugh>
Speaker 2:No,
Speaker 3:Not funny.
Speaker 2:But I, I do appreciate that if I do try and hit you with a zinger, you'll be honest about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. The problem is that so often I'm like, like most of laughter for me really is just like a mindset thing. Yeah. And I'm sure you've noticed that. Yeah. Over the years because sometimes like, I will think something's funny, but if I'm not in the right head space to like let out a laugh, I'll just stare at Jordan<laugh>.
Speaker 2:I love, one of my favorite things in the entire world is when I will text you something that I know is really good. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and I get back and all caps like L M F A O, but I, you're in the room right next to me and I can hear the dead silence.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And you can see me staring at my phone with like a completely blank face.
Speaker 2:<laugh>.
Speaker 3:I will say, usually if I'm typing out L m A O, like you will at least get a like, just a little like, appreciate that,
Speaker 2:Appreciate that.
Speaker 3:But it is really funny. I do, I do enjoy when you just like come and stand in the door of my room and like, you maybe don't know how much weed I've smoked that day. And then you're like, Hey, hey, wanna hear something stupid? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Hit me. And then you tell me something that is objectively funny and I'm like, uh, cool bro. And you're just like, uh,
Speaker 2:No, that's, I, I know what that's worth Now I also appreciate the good lol.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Like when you just say l l
Speaker 3:L. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yep. That's another, that's another classic. L
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I can't take credit for that one. I think, I think I got that from Marmar.<laugh>. Like my cousin Marmar will go lol. Amazing. Even if things like aren't funny. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> or like, or it's like funny how bad something is. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, I feel like I'm coming surprised. I have some combative energy this week.<laugh>. So
Speaker 2:As opposed to
Speaker 3:Exactly. I was like, yeah. I mean I guess I do bring kind of just like combative energy anywhere I go, but I, I like to, I like to think it's like combatively friendly. Yeah. Like with strangers. Yeah. Mostly
Speaker 2:Depending on the stranger.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And depending on the interaction. But like, I mean like we, we went to your staff holiday party. Yes. And I got to be your plus one, which was very fun. Yes. You
Speaker 2:Were wonderful. Arm candy.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Thank you. Great arm to be candy upon, uh,
Speaker 2:<laugh>. I've tried. I've been doing my pushups.
Speaker 3:Hell yeah bro. Hell yeah. Uh, we've been lifting some tables up and downstairs we have so, so sore. Still
Speaker 2:Little so Yeah,
Speaker 3:That's fine.
Speaker 2:A good table. That was
Speaker 3:Worth it. Such a
Speaker 2:Good table. Also, I messaged the guy who sold it to us on Facebook marketplace and apparently the actual table legs slide out too to hold the sides up. Cause I couldn't figure out
Speaker 3:How to get the flaps up, how to get the flaps up. I was wondering. I was like, so we put the leaves in, but we just left the flaps down. That's fine. Like maybe we just don't need that much space. I'm not gonna question their, their judgment on this. I'm just, I was frantically trying to finish cleaning. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And like then we were like trying to figure out how to like cover
Speaker 2:The tables.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Cause we had this whole fun space. Yeah. Yeah. We had this like super fun idea of like, people do this on Pinterest all the time, so it's not like we can like, take credit for it or anything, but like, what's a fun idea? Yeah. Just like a cute fun idea of like, what can we do to like decorate for Friendsgiving? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Like we're having a crowd that like isn't necessarily like friends already, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative> like a bunch of, like a bunch of different groups of people. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> were coming together. And so I was like, what if we have like butcher paper or craft paper on the tables and we just put out some like markers and colored pencils or crayons or whatever mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And then people can write down what they're thankful for or like draw or whatever, you know, whatever. Yeah. And we realized we didn't have enough craft paper for that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I used it all up doing weird performance art. Sorry. Oh,
Speaker 3:It's okay. That's what it's for. So you know, but we, so we were trying to figure out like a last minute solution to that, which we ended up finding some very nice, like 11 by 14 cuts of paper.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Which I was great in my probably much more manageable to hold onto Oh yeah. Than a big piece of craft paper.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so everybody got like a little place map to color on mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Cause that was very fun. Yeah. But I was like, we were trying to figure that out. There
Speaker 2:Was a lot of troubleshooting happening in oven time.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh. Yeah. Planning a couple of people that needed to put their stuff in the oven when they got there, which like as you do mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's, it's just sort of in the nature of Friendsgiving or Thanksgiving or any sort of food based holiday where you're like
Speaker 2:Any kind of potluck situation. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>. Yeah. You just gotta be ready that like, oh it says three so we'll probably eat at four. Like Yep. It's generally, you know, that's how it goes. If if you don't know that now you do.
Speaker 2:Now you do.
Speaker 3:I mean that's not a general all over rule. I guess some people maybe are like better at their time management and like La d dog. Good for you.
Speaker 2:But if we haven't mentioned yet, this is an ADHD podcast so you can guess how good our time management is
Speaker 3:And this episode is dropping several days late. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm
Speaker 2:<affirmative> you can, yeah. You can put those pieces together yourself. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.
Speaker 3:So pieces that didn't get put together are pieces of the manufacturing supply chain for instant release. Adderall,
Speaker 2:<laugh> bringing it back. Bringing it
Speaker 3:Back. Great. Oh. So yeah. Basically. Yet again those dang supply chains have foiled us. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But yeah, basically a lot of manufacturing delays and since they're like the biggest supplier there have been mm-hmm<affirmative>, a lot of Adderall shortages. Mm-hmm<affirmative> and the FDA predicts that the Adderall shortage will continue into early 2023 or longer. And so what we're here today to talk about is not necessarily like the shortage mechanics
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But more about how this is working out, how it's playing out. Yeah. And and how
Speaker 2:How to cope.
Speaker 3:How to cope. Like some options because I mean, and if you've read any article, I feel like that was the one thing I noticed is like every article that I read for the most part on this mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they all were like really like hey here's some options like talk to your primary care provider about switching to like a different type of ADHD medication. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> or a different dosage because things like that. So there the articles have been like here's some things you can do to try and mitigate this. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:<affirmative> and that's what my, like my psychiatrist said because I asked cuz I heard about this and I was like, well is like first thing to do, ask the pharmacy what they do have and what they are able to get. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And then from there, a lot of times depending on your situation and what works for you, it's possible to mix it around. Instead of taking like one 15 milligram extended release, you can take like three, five milligram instant releases over the course of the day or like if you can give that information to your doctor they can kind of retool things mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, so that's, that's one of the first things that she told me.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. Which is great. Great advice. Probably the first step that everybody should try right? Is to like see if you can get a different dosage or a different, like you could try getting extended release because the shortage has really only affected instant release mm-hmm<affirmative>, but because of the ripple effect of people needing to start using more extended release. Yeah. Um, and other dosages of instant release things are starting to sort of ripple out and so it can be kind of hard to finagle and tweak those things. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But the other thing is like you could potentially switch to another drug entirely like something like Ritalin. You just have to be really careful with that. Mm-hmm<affirmative> and definitely talk to your doctor if you have one because you need to call somebody who will know how medications will interact in your brain and your body. Yeah. Um, cuz some antidepressants and some anti anti-anxiety medicines when mixed with Ritalin don't behave in the same way as they do and mixed with Adderall. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and some of those things can end up with some really, really not great effects. Yeah. There have not been any like super publicized deaths that can be like specifically related to the Adderall shortage mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but people getting Adderall off of the quote unquote black market and it being meth mm-hmm<affirmative> it being fentanyl. Mm-hmm<affirmative> someone may have actually put fentanyl in that pill that you think might be Adderall. Yeah. So it really is like people aren't always aware of what they're buying and dealing. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, and to that end, like for what it's worth, obviously our first advice here is like talk to a doctor. Oh yeah. Talk to a health professional who can guide you through like the safest way to figure this out. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, but we don't know everybody's situation. Yeah. So if for some reason you have to DIY this a little bit, like please there are so many resources online for looking at at least an initial overview of like how medications interact with other things. Mm-hmm<affirmative>, a lot of county health departments have fentanyl test strips that you can get for free mm-hmm.<affirmative> a again, that's not at all the route that we're recommending, but like harm reduction is important. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and you deserve to be safe.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion. It might be in some circles, but I think it should be a more popular opinion. I think that almost everybody should have Narcan on hand. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> because whether you have friends who are partaking in heavy stimulant drugs that are very heavily regulated and sometimes illegal, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative> like even if you don't have people in your life who are in that situation, if you're ever in a place where somebody's overdosing mm-hmm.<affirmative> and you have that in your backpack, like that's huge, but also for these sorts of situations that we've been hearing about over the past couple of months. And so I think again, we can't offer any like official medical advice and we are not trying to do that but just sort of a like try to use the legal avenue. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like at least like, cuz there are a lot of options. Like you can go and you can talk to different pharmacies mm-hmm.<affirmative> and from what I understand, a lot of pharmacists and doctors have been pretty understanding of this shortage mm-hmm.<affirmative> and I will say like the main cause of this is supply chain issues mm-hmm.<affirmative>, which is what's been affecting like the entirety of the global economy. Yep. However you may be reading or hearing that some people think there's an Adderall shortage because the amount of online ADHD diagnoses have gone up and yes, they have gone up. But that's,
Speaker 2:That's, that's a complicated issue because
Speaker 3:That doesn't mean that all of those people have all started taking instant release Adderall.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And you know what I mean? So even if that does bump up the things the FDA sets, the amount of Adderall that can be produced in a year because it's a controlled substance mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So that's not on people who are trying to get a tool that they just found out about. That's really helpful. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> that's on a lot of this is it's, it's a pet peeve forever of like how difficult Adderall and other stimulants are to get for Yeah. Like specifically to the people who need them. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well and I mean you are specifically somebody who has dealt with personally a psychiatrist mm-hmm.<affirmative>, who was a piece of uhhuh and was like, well you're not fidgety. I don't think you have adhd and I think that you're actually lying so that you can get Adderall. It's a study drug and it's over, like Jordan's over here, just like the most ADHD I've ever met besides
Speaker 2:Like, like not only was I late to the appointment, they gave me the stupid little assessment thing, I got the ADHD score on it and then I go and I sit in this guy's office and he does this weird, like, I'm not gonna give you Adderall because I don't think that you're ADHD enough, but you didn't ask for Adderall. So I know that you're not a drug seeker. What, I hate that phrase. Yeah. But if you ask for Adderall then you can't have it For sure because then I know you're just here for Adderall. And I was like,
Speaker 3:How the is someone supposed to win in that situation? You're,
Speaker 2:You
Speaker 3:Are, there's no way. There's no way
Speaker 2:You go find another psych,
Speaker 3:You go find another psychiatrist, which is, which is what you were able to do and that's awesome. But we recognize that there are a lot of, actors out there. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> like bad actors or whatever they call them, you know mm-hmm.<affirmative> for what
Speaker 2:It's worth. And this is me pulling this entirely out of my,
Speaker 3:But Well we love to do that here.
Speaker 2:<laugh>, there was an article, another news article making the rounds about how in talking to your doctor it can be beneficial to frame things as a, like, hey, somebody in my life suggested I might have xyz or this might be a particular treatment that they've heard as helpful or something like that. Do you think that that's a possibility? Instead of just outright saying like, I think I have adhd, can I try Adderall? And it sucks that that's a, a method you have to use to get your doctor to listen to you about your health. Yeah. But
Speaker 3:Yeah,
Speaker 2:They pointed out that that kind of gets the doctor on your side mm-hmm.<affirmative> of like against this fake or otherwise not present loved one and like more open to figuring those things out.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It is. It's so stupid. Like what? Well this, I'm about to say a very sweeping statement, but I stand behind it fullheartedly, so I'm gonna say it with my whole chest. The war on drugs has ruined almost everything because
Speaker 2:It was entirely ineffective.
Speaker 3:Yeah. No, the drugs won. So jot that down<laugh>. Um, but also it just criminalized anybody trying to seek any sort of treatment with stimulants mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it, it's kind of ridiculous. Like the fear monering that's happening with this as well though. And I recognize that a lot of these people who have written these articles in opinions and thought pieces on the Adderall shortage seem to be coming at it from a like, listen, the FDA like needs to raise the cap Yeah. And like farm this out because we need more Adderall mm-hmm.<affirmative> because whether you think people are faking it or not, they have those prescriptions. Yeah. They have been prescribed Adderall and they are not getting it. So, you know,
Speaker 2:Unless that's you or your patient, it's not up
Speaker 3:To you. Exactly. And so I I will say like a lot of the fear mongering type stuff has seemed to be more directed towards like the government and more of a, like people are going to die because of this mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, but some of it has been like a little bit more fear monger in the way of like, well if people die it's because of these people who are diagnosing themselves and then getting the prescription drugs or taking other people's prescriptions and blah blah. And it's like, one of the things that I read was an op-ed mm-hmm.<affirmative> from the LA Times. So in their defense I should have known mm-hmm.<affirmative> maybe where this would've gone, you know, before I started reading it. But essentially it's an op-ed warning of the two major public health crises that could, can and are occurring due to this shortage. And the first one is Adderall withdrawal symptoms. Because especially if you have very severe ADHD and you take your Adderall every single day, that versus like, cuz the normal pattern that they often suggest like that doctors and pharmacists often suggest, especially for like kids who have to take Adderall, they suggest that they take Adderall during the week on school days mm-hmm.<affirmative> and then not take anything over the weekends. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> primarily because of like appetite, the appetite is present. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> is like the main reason for that. But another reason is because if you take a stimulant every single day and then you stop after a long time of doing it every single day mm-hmm.<affirmative>, the withdrawal symptoms can be pretty nasty. It's not like you're gonna die mm-hmm.<affirmative> from the physical aspect of it. But the primary symptoms of ADHD withdrawal are like nausea, headaches, fatigue, and very deep depression. Oh. So essentially a large fear is is the amount of people who will be at risk of suicide or who are at risk of suicide Yeah. Due to withdrawal from Adderall. And so like a Yeah, no, that sucks. Yeah. Big agree. That's not great. Don't want that to happen. And the second thing that they talked about, essentially, uh, the much deadlier statistically version right. Is that people will continue to turn to the black market to seek some sort of Adderall mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, or take it from their friends who maybe don't use it as often mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And when you start taking doses of medicine that you are not supposed to be taking or that don't mix well with your other medications Yeah. Or you get med, you get some Adderall that's not actually Adderall mm-hmm.<affirmative> and it turns out to just be like fentanyl. Yeah. You could die. And people, like nothing is directly linked yet to this shortage specifically that I can find mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But there are a couple of deaths that have happened in the past couple of months mm-hmm.<affirmative> that people have pointed to in a like, Hey fda Yeah. This is a sign that like things are probably going to get worse mm-hmm.<affirmative> before they get better mm-hmm.<affirmative>, um, very similar to the, the beginning of the opioid crisis. Yeah. Um, and so essentially this is so sad, like, I'm sorry, we don't really talk about funny things. I know that last episode we like ranked and talked about like which monsters would have adhd, so like our bad, but also this is pretty important. Yeah. And I feel like as an ADHD podcast, we both felt like it was important to at least like mention that a, this is happening. So if you weren't aware now, you know, but also it's everywhere. Um, basically, but also b just to like let you know that you're not the only ones who are struggling to find Adderall. Like this is a problem mm-hmm.<affirmative> like globally at this point. So like it's, you're not alone and there are options and as much as it sucks the FDA has not, you know, raised the cap or anything. Yeah. The, you know, supply chain issues have not been ironed out mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so like the shortage is going to continue mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So I think we really just wanted to come on and say like, please be careful. Yeah. And just use your best judgment mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, and just, you know, take care of yourself, take care of each other. We say that all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It seems like, I mean, one of the things that we always want to do with this show is talk about our experience mm-hmm.<affirmative> and talk about things to help anybody listening feel like they're not alone and they're not the only thing, they're, and they're not the only person who goes through mm-hmm.<affirmative> things like this. So, you know, if, if you're in that boat and are dealing with this Adderall shortage, you're not alone and you have a lot of tools at your disposal, you know, talk to your doctor psychiatrist, see if you can change your dosage, see if you can change to another stimulant. See if you can change to a non stimulant medication. I know that we've talked about a lot of those mm-hmm.<affirmative> in other episodes. See if you can, you know, like Lex mentioned, it's really better for you usually to not take Adderall every day. So if you can make your dose work a little longer for you by taking it less and planning your tasks around that mm-hmm.<affirmative>, that's an option.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I think another thing that's probably worth mentioning is like, if you are at the point where you are out of Adderall and you do not have any of the, any other options to get stimulant medications, I think at that point I would say be sure to let someone else in your life who cares about, you know mm-hmm.<affirmative> what you're, what you're going through and what's going on. Because there are a lot of people who aren't gonna be able to access the black market. Right. Like, there, I know there are a lot of people who are like, I don't even know what, what that means. Why do they call it the black market? What is it? Where is it? Yeah. Do I have to go to a special place? Like, you know what I mean? Like that's the
Speaker 2:Website. Yeah,
Speaker 3:Yeah. Exactly. And so, you know, there's a lot of different ways that could end up with somebody just not having any options and not having any stimulants to take mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, and I think that's when I'm like, well this is the part where you need to just let people in your community know because you're gonna be struggling and you're gonna need some help probably. Yeah. And that's okay. That's okay. Like I think that's the other thing right? Is like, if you really have no solutions here, that's okay. Like, it sucks. Yeah. It's not okay, but it's okay. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It's, yeah. It's not okay, but you deserve support mm-hmm.<affirmative> and decency through Yeah. This situation. And
Speaker 3:Like, and if you're really, really all alone and you don't have any stimulants, well hey, you got this episode, you got two idiots in Chicago telling you that you'll be okay if you, you know, well, I, I don't know. Can't say you'll be okay cause we don't know I'm not an Oracle, but like,
Speaker 2:We hope that you will. Yeah. And if you're in a situation where it just, it just feels like it's a lot and you're dealing with those withdrawal symptoms specifically, like that will get better, that will pass. You can say like medically speaking will improve mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>, medically speaking it will pass
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>
Speaker 3:Doesn't mean it's any less difficult in the interim, but sometimes knowing that there's even a light at the end of the tunnel, even if you can't see the light yet, knowing that there is one mm-hmm.<affirmative> that you will see eventually. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yes. There, there is a deadline to this feeling and us ADHD love a deadline. Yeah.
Speaker 3:We do. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And, and you know, hopefully, hopefully the FDA will take some more action on this mm-hmm.<affirmative> if things don't improve mm-hmm.<affirmative> sometime soon
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, if you have the resources and wherewithal to talk to your representatives about that, to take care of people in com, your community who are going through that, get some Narcan and carry it, do
Speaker 3:That. Yeah. Basically like you just don't know what's gonna happen mm-hmm.<affirmative> or who you're gonna be around mm-hmm.<affirmative> at any given time, you know mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So this has been incredibly sad, but I feel like if there's any sort of light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak, if you really can't see it, we will remind you, you deserve to feel safe and loved and healthy. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And if it makes you feel any better, we're going through it too. Cuz we gotta take Adderall and at least for me, I asked about getting my instant release and my dosage is one of the, like, I, you know, I, I asked to see mm-hmm.<affirmative> where, where that was at. Cuz I don't normally take my instant release as much anymore mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, thankfully I, I can still get my extended release mm-hmm.<affirmative> and that's what I really rely on mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But if it helps to know, uh, I personally am not able to get my instant release at this time. Yeah. And, and just on personal levels without a shortage, we've both had different periods where we've had to go without Adderall for a little bit and mm-hmm.<affirmative> and sometimes we just have to like, pick up the rest of the yo for our bro, you know, like we just got bro. I got you bro. We just gotta take care of each other, so. Yep. I feel like, you know, if anything, at least we got each other, you know,
Speaker 2:We Sure do. We sure do. So, uh, thanks for tuning in. We're glad you're here.
Speaker 3:Yeah. We are really glad you're here. Should
Speaker 2:We, should we end this one on a slightly lighter note?
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we can't just end it right there. Yeah. That'd be, that'd be dark as hell. That'd be so dark. Like, oh my god. Hey, good luck with the Adderall shortage. We love you, but good, good luck.
Speaker 2:God. Speed.
Speaker 3:God speed.<laugh> God speed. have fun out there. O well, p team. It's hunger Games for this Adderall. Jesus.
Speaker 2:I'm, I'm, don't give'em ideas.
Speaker 3:Sorry. Yeah, please don't, please don't hurt each other for Adderall. Please. That's the last thing we want.<laugh>
Speaker 2:No, I wasn't thinking ideas for, for the listeners. I was like, don't let the FDA hear you. Oh. They've already come up with enough
Speaker 3:Up
Speaker 2:Hoops to jump through To get Adderol.
Speaker 3:To get Adderall and having to kill cat outta rodine for it does seem to add quite a, quite a hefty loop.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:Uh, let's move on. Something a little lighter. Yeah. And not even move on. Should we jump? Let's jump, let's jump,
Speaker 2:Let's jump on over to the dopamine trampoline.<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Yes. Welcome to the dopamine trampoline. It's a very fun and not sad segment of the show that we do most episodes mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And it's a time where we talk about things that make us happy, aka things that give us dopamine. Whether that's a hyper fixation, something we just found funny this week, or like a deeply seated love of something from childhood
Speaker 2:<laugh>
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. We come here to talk about it. Yeah. So let's hop on up and tell me about your dopamine trampoline, Jordan.
Speaker 2:I would love to
Speaker 3:Making the segue from like sad content into the dopamine trampoline always feels like such a ingenuine like, switch. But then at the same time I'm like, oh, thank God I can laugh again. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like, I can make jokes again. Yeah. Like, okay. Okay. Okay. We'll be fine. So yeah. To all of you in the audience, if you're like, that's jarring. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:But we're not gonna just, we weren't gonna leave it on that. Let's, I think we'd all like to laugh a little bit now if you don't, I guess you can just like turn off the episode now, but
Speaker 3:If you wanna just like cry a little, just have some time to yourself, we get it Fair. But if you wanna cheer up after your little cry mm-hmm.<affirmative> un pauses it and come on back. Yeah. We'll be
Speaker 2:Here for you. We'll be here in your phone or computer or, um, other audio playing device or in this transcript or in the ether. Our voices will be in the ether.
Speaker 3:However you access our podcast normally just do that. Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3:Putting it out on like the ether into like the ethereal plane waves like that. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's like buzz sprout as great as they are, they don't put it out there. So we have to do that ourselves. Yeah. And then it's like sometimes you have to like wrangle, you know, some like real characters.
Speaker 2:It takes a lot of power to like shift into that. Like the vibrations are just like,
Speaker 3:Somehow, like tiring. Yeah. Somehow higher than anything we can hear with our human ears. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but also low enough that it makes me my pants. You know,
Speaker 2:<laugh>
Speaker 3:Just going to meet kaulu in the ethereal wherever and<laugh> my pants because those deep, deep beach boys vibrations. Please tell me what your dopamine trampoline is before I say anything else.
Speaker 2:Puzzle. Puzzle. Yeah. Yeah. Not just puzzles. Generally One specific puzzle.
Speaker 3:Oh. So like puzzles. puzzles. Okay. So except this one. Okay. I think we have different opinions on puzzles, but that's okay then that's fine. No,
Speaker 2:No. Like puzzles in general are are like jigsaw puzzles. I'll hop out on a jigsaw puzzle. That's great. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but I'm talking about one specifically.
Speaker 3:Okay. So this is the one that gave you dopamine? Yes. I, I see
Speaker 2:The specific puzzle that gave me so much dopamine. I got distracted working on it today and that's why I was late coming home to record this episode.
Speaker 3:I was wondering, I was like, I got home before you<laugh>. What the happened?
Speaker 2:That's what I was doing A puzzle.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So tell me about this puzzle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so very kindly, like I think we mentioned earlier in this episode, I had a work event on Friday and a lot of folks were in town. A lot more folks were in the office than normal work. Kind of a hybrid work situation. And our lovely, wonderful, thoughtful office manager brought in a big thousand piece jigsaw puzzle to leave on the conference room to give people something to do because everyone kind of just accepted that we weren't getting any work done on Friday.
Speaker 3:Well, and that was the day they did like head shots. So yeah. There was a, I I imagine some, some amount of just sort of sitting mm-hmm.<affirmative> and waiting
Speaker 2:<laugh>. Yeah. A little bit of, yeah. Waiting, being ready, trying to figure out what's going on. That sort of thing. So very thoughtfully. Puzzle. Puzzle and not just any puzzle. It's called a meta puzzle has nothing to do with Facebook at promise, but the image that we're putting together is a photo of somebody doing a jigsaw puzzle.
Speaker 3:Okay.<laugh>. Oh good. That's okay. All right. Say more, say more. I'm, I'm, I'm still with you.
Speaker 2:There's some parts of it I really enjoy. Like the person you can see like their sleeve and their top and there's a lot of really good textures and patterns.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Like putting puzzle pieces together to match a pattern up. I'm, I'm good at
Speaker 3:That part. Well and that's, I was gonna say that, that's kind of nice cuz like as much as I love the way that like a beautiful painted landscape painting looks. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, the clouds are all the same. Like it's all the same Uhhuh, it's all the same.
Speaker 2:But that's where this puzzle has variety cuz there's some parts that have that specificity, but then there's also just like the puzzles on a marble table. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and it's not finished. So there's just like a big spot of marble. There are two separate green coffee cups. Oh. So you're like oh that looks like the edge of a green cup. I know where that goes. No, the you don't.
Speaker 3:That's
Speaker 2:Tricky. It is. It's a real, real tricky dick.
Speaker 3:I really want to go get a puzzle.
Speaker 2:I know, me too.
Speaker 3:I'm like with the cat seat puzzle pieces. Cause that's the only thing I'm like, they might try to eat those pus cuz it's cardboard. Yeah. And it's little, it's like little tiny treat size cardboard. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We could do what my mom always does cause my mom is a puzzle fied.
Speaker 3:Yeah. My grandpa was too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we talked about this before of like, we both did puzzles growing up a fair amount. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, sorry, continue<laugh>.
Speaker 2:But what my inspired mother figured out was we have a dining table that has a plastic sheet over it underneath the tablecloth. She will flip up the plastic sheet, do the puzzle just straight on the bear table and then can just flip the plastic sheet and the tablecloth down. Hold it down out of the way of the cats easy transfer. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, you can put it away when you need to put it away, but you don't like anything up
Speaker 3:By God. Angela, you've done it again.
Speaker 2:Truly. Truly.
Speaker 3:Oh my god.
Speaker 2:No, for
Speaker 3:Real. We ha we have a plastic table cover and we mm-hmm.<affirmative>. All right. We gotta get through this episode and go get some mother Yeah.
Speaker 2:Puzzles. Yeah, we
Speaker 3:Do. Let's get to the toy store,
Speaker 2:Bro. All right. Yeah, it's a really fun puzzle. It's not done yet. It's still on the conference room table, but I got most of the persons top put together today, so I'm very proud of myself for that.
Speaker 3:I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to being in the office again on Thursday because
Speaker 3:You
Speaker 2:Can do more puzzles. I can do more puzzle.
Speaker 3:Yes. Yeah. I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Now I know exactly what to ask when you get home on Thursday.
Speaker 2:<laugh> amazing. I'll keep you posted. You'll probably get pictures. Speaking of pictures though, that is the one other delight of this whole puzzle endeavor. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> is that we have agreed as a group that next year's office party by then we will have solved this puzzle. We will take a picture of the solved puzzle and we will get it printed on another puzzle.
Speaker 3:So you're just gonna keep having meta puzzles, Uhhuh. So, okay. Can I ask, what's the puzzle, uh, that the person in the puzzles making?
Speaker 2:It's hard to tell. I'm not sure. It's not very put together.
Speaker 3:Okay. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, there's not like a reference image. Oh. But in the re it's not put
Speaker 2:I see. There's no reference image in the puzzle of the puzzle that's in the puzzle. Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Interesting. Well, you know, that's actually kind of better because now I can just pretend that it's Ryan Gosling wearing a shirt of Macaulay Caulkin<laugh> wearing a shirt with Ryan Go. You know what I mean? And then I can just imagine that Uhhuh is in there. Uhhuh and then he is carrying a mug with a picture of you, with a picture of your cousin. Yeah. Holding the picture of holding the mug with the picture of you. Yeah. And like, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2:Should I get the picture of me holding the mug with the picture of my cousin holding the mug with the picture of me on a puzzle?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Nice. Well that's all suck. Cause I was kind of wondering, she sent me the mug. We'll put a picture on Instagram for everybody to see. I sent my cousin a mug that has a picture of me holding a mug on it. Sorry. You good bro?
Speaker 3:I'm good. Good. It's just so
Speaker 2:Funny. That's, thank you. Thank you. I'm quite
Speaker 3:Delighted by it. Every time I'm reminded I'm like,<laugh>, like it's funny. Thank you. That's the type of that I'm like, this will entertain me endlessly.
Speaker 2:Well I hope it goes on endlessly. The balls in my court here because I sent my cousin the mug with the picture of me on it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> had to start somewhere and then they just sent me a mug with a picture of them holding the mug with the picture of me on it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I was like, where do you go from there? Because you kind of wanna keep doing the mug thing because it gets super meta. But
Speaker 3:We have so many mugs.
Speaker 2:We have so many mugs. I think generally speaking, there is a maximum amount of mugs that people can fit in their homes.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So, and we are nearing our cap. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> already. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So puzzle. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, which is like fun. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> because then your cousin won't even know that you're playing a joke mm-hmm.<affirmative> until they finish the puzzle.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they do have a two year old though. So I'm wondering about the, the practical consequences of puzzle pieces.
Speaker 3:Make it big puzzle pieces. The kid can participate, get that kid started early. Oh,
Speaker 2:Good call.
Speaker 3:Yeah. No, I mean,
Speaker 2:Good call
Speaker 3:Bro. Yeah. No, they make puzzles with giant pieces for little kids. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, they make like mats for them to sit on on the floor that are like puzzle piece shaped for some reason that's just like a real big thing in daycares. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, whatever.
Speaker 2:Well they fit together.
Speaker 3:Yeah. No, I know why. I know why. I know why the foam cubes are used.<laugh>
Speaker 2:Think it soft and then they fit together. Yeah. So kids don't
Speaker 3:Like die. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think the thing that bothers me about those like puzzle floorings mm-hmm.<affirmative> is that all of the puzzle pieces are always different colors. Uhhuh. And so when you look at it, you're like, this isn't a puzzle. Ah. They're puzzle pieces. They're shaped like puzzle pieces. Yeah. But this is not a puzzle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like you're just putting different colored shapes together. That's which I guess that's also what you could say about any other puzzle. So like, you know what? you, you. Okay. I'm mad again. No<laugh>. Well, uh,
Speaker 2:Why don't, why don't, why don't you tell me what your dopamine trampolines is? You can kind of brush off that anger. Forget about the
Speaker 3:Flooring. Me, me brushing anger off. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:<laugh> you
Speaker 3:Um, throw this anger at the wall
Speaker 2:Being distracted from it for like five minutes please.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. No, that's fair. Please God. Please, please. L's find something happy please look shiny<laugh>. Yeah. Okay. So my dopamine trampoline this week is photo booths. Oh yeah. We posted on Instagram cuz we're moving away from the now very extra evil site cuz it was probably pretty before too. But now I'm like, well
Speaker 2:It's, it's a train wreck now
Speaker 3:It's a train wreck. So we've hopped off that mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So if you wanna keep up with us, just started making the move to Instagram. We're trying anyways. But we posted, uh, the pictures from it. But Jordan and I, surprisingly, I was sort of like, wow, we haven't done this before, but we had never done a photo booth together ever. Which
Speaker 2:Is, it is wild.
Speaker 3:Weird. Yeah, no, I'm like, we're both so like tw like indie that like how haven't we, and like we've both done photo booths on numerous occasions with other people. Yeah. But never together. Never together until this Friday. Yes. After Jordan's work event, another one of Jordan's coworkers ha is in like a band. So we went to the show and a bunch of us went to the show and it was very fun. It's very fun. It was wonderful. All the people are so lovely. It's great. Whatever. That's awesome. But the real highlight was the photo
Speaker 2:Booth, like a classic old fashioned.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Like you put like$2 in, it
Speaker 2:Was like five inflation, but
Speaker 3:A ll r ight, well you put some money in and then you have a little countdown m m-hmm.< affirmative> and it takes a couple pictures of you. It's
Speaker 2:Like super zoomed in on your face. Yeah. There's, you know, four of'em, no nonsense. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> no fun colors. Like you just, you have your five seconds to take the picture and by God you better figure it out.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And so we did and it was very fun. Yeah. But it made me think about like, Hmm, I wonder when photo booths were invented because it is like such a fun thing still. Right. Like people still, like you see a photo booth and I feel like every time I see one mm-hmm.<affirmative>, even if I'm by myself, I'm like, I kind of just wanna go sit in one anyways. Yeah. It's like a nice little moment of peace. If nothing else. It's a
Speaker 2:Little cozy space. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, what did you find out?
Speaker 3:I took to Wikipedia because I decided that this would be my dopamine trampoline today.<laugh>. Um, so I did not really do much research on this, but when do I ever on anything, you know, here's what Wikipedia has to say. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, a photo booth is a vending machine or modern kiosk that contains an automated, usually coin operated camera and film processor. Today the vast majority of photo booths are digital, but the history of the photo booth is what I'm really interested in. Okay. Yeah. So the patent for the first automated photography machine was filed in 1888 by William Pope and Edward Poole of Baltimore. Wow. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But that was just the patent. Uhhuh the first patent. Right. Uhhuh. But the first known actually working photographic machine was a product of the French inventor, T Angel, Burt and, and Hebert and Angel. Burt Angel. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, angel.
Speaker 2:Ebert
Speaker 3:Ebert. It'd be like Angel, Burt cuz it's a J. Do you see why I'm like, what? So I'm like, and
Speaker 2:Ja,
Speaker 3:Burt, so I'm assuming it's Angel be because he's French.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm gonna stick with in Ja, Burt.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry. Okay. So, um, this French, good old te in March of 1889. Okay. He showed one off at the World's Fair that he had made in Paris. Ah,
Speaker 2:Girl World's fair. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>. And then here we go. Okay. Uh, a German born photographer named Matthew Stephans from Chicago AO also filed a patent patent for such a, such a machine in May of 1889. So none of these machines that were like at this point were like, they weren't reliable enough to be self-sufficient, so they had to have someone there to like, help with the process basically. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and the first, or like, but so you have several iterations of this right. Through the late 18 hundreds. Right. And then the modern concept of like what we understand to be a photo booth now, um, like with a little curtain that will like, you close off mm-hmm.<affirmative> and it's automated and there's not like a person, you know? Yeah. Taking the pictures for you was a Russian guy named Anatol J Soho. All right. In 1925, he brought and displayed the first photo booth on Broadway in New York City. Aw. And for 25 cents, the booth took, developed and printed eight photos. Wow. And it was a process that took roughly 10 minutes.<laugh> and the first, okay, here's what Wikipedia has to say about this. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And the first six months after the booth was erected, it was used by 280,000 people. Wow. The photo baton company was created to place booths nationwide. And on March 27th, 1927, Ja Sofa was paid.$1 million and guaranteed future royalties for his invention, yo. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Good on you, bud. Yeah. That's a lot of money at that point in time. That's a lot of money now. That's a lot of money now, but like, that's really a lot of money for like 1927 or whatever. Yeah. I love how technology is somewhat like, and obviously I know that there's a lot of like, things behind the scenes that go into like making and patenting things. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And like, there's a reason that a lot of historic inventors are only white men. Um, you know, like, so I recognize that not everybody had access to like show off things mm-hmm.<affirmative> at like the world's fair. Like that's a pretty prestigious thing to get to do for sure. So I understand that there are probably people who had this idea before mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but we, you know, we didn't hear about it or wasn't presented or Yeah. You know, all that stuff. But I just think it's really neat how sometimes technology and new inventions can have this almost like Darwinistic effect of like, like you can track, like you can see. I, I just think it's really interesting how some things, like some technologies, humans as a whole mm-hmm.<affirmative>, we will just go bananas for uhhuh<affirmative>. Like you think about the advent of the smartphone. Yeah. That was like ripple effects in the change of technology. You think about like the light bulb movies mm-hmm.<affirmative> photography, photo booths apparently. And people just went bonkers for it. 280,000 people. Yeah. In 1925 in New York City. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> spent money on this. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And so I think that that's like something that's just really interesting to me, right. Is like, yeah. Yes. There are some like very hard to determine factors of like how inventions get presented to the public, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But I do think it's interesting that certain things prove that they're interesting enough for people to want to have them forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It is very charming that in the 1920s that was shared and instantly popped off mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Cause so many people were like, oh gosh, darn. That's delightful. Yeah. And then you and me last Friday mm-hmm.<affirmative> saw a photo booth and were like, well gosh darn, that's delightful.
Speaker 3:We gotta do it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And that's
Speaker 2:Almost a hundred years
Speaker 3:Later and that's adorable. It's great. That's so cute. I love humans so much sometimes, you know? Yeah. Like I know the humanity on the whole can be a lot. That on the whole humanity can be a very depressing entity to observe, but sometimes we do some cute. Yeah. And sitting in a little booth with a curtain shut with your friends or your significant other, or like your pet or like, literally anything, your
Speaker 2:Family, yourself just being like, we're gonna take a little time to have fun and remember this. Yeah. It's so
Speaker 3:Great. It's so great. And you think about at least I think about how expensive and inaccessible it was to like, get your portrait taken for so long, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So it does make sense that like, hey, in just 10 minutes Yeah. You can have eight photos Yeah. Of you and your friends. Yeah. Like that is kind of bananas, right? Yeah. Like, cause you think about like, instead of, hey, you have to sit perfectly still for like the next 30 minutes while this light bulb goes off several times Right. In your face<laugh>. Like there's a lot. Yeah. That I feel like, and obviously the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, we saw so much sweeping change mm-hmm.<affirmative> like with entertainment, technology, you know, so it, it does make sense, right? That the photo booth we understand and know today would come from that era. So mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I think that's interesting too to think about. Like, I think before I had read that Wikipedia article, if someone had been like, Hey, when do you think photo booths would were invented Uhhuh? I would probably guess like the, the twenties or thirties. Okay. You know? Yeah. Cause like you think about the advent of movies becoming a popular widespread thing and not just like some interesting like thing that an inventor got to show his friends at like the World's Fair, whatever the, you know, I don't, yeah. I just think it's neat.
Speaker 2:It's
Speaker 3:Very neat. And the pictures we took were
Speaker 2:So cute. I will say I'm impressed with our ability to just get four good distinct photos right off the bat. We didn't talk about it. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, we didn't plan. Well,
Speaker 3:I think that's the point though. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you can't mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you just have to let it, let it guide you. Yeah. Although I guess, you know, when it's$5 instead of 25 cents, you do have to kind of be a little bit more judicious.
Speaker 2:But yeah. I mean, I know sometimes people have been like, all right, we'll do a serious one and then we'll do a silly one and then like, we'll do one with our tongue sticking out. Like,
Speaker 3:And then if there's couples, they're like, and we'll do one where we smooch True that like genuinely I was like that. That does seem to be a category. Yeah. Just, and this is the one where they kiss
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.
Speaker 3:It was just really fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for that. That was gosh darn delightful.
Speaker 3:Just like the photo booths. Yeah. Gosh darn delightful. Well, hopefully this episode has been been probably not gosh darn delightful, but at least like, gosh darn<laugh>. Hopefully this episode has been gosh darn
Speaker 2:<laugh>. That is up to you to decide audience. So we will leave you to it and sign this one out, shall we? Let's
Speaker 3:Sign it on out. Let's just right off,
Speaker 2:Shall
Speaker 3:We? Yeah, we shall.
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