In this episode of Or, Learn Parkour: Jordan & Lex are joined by longtime friend Kayt Forbes to talk about how her art has been impacted and changed due to her Dyslexia and Dyscalculia diagnoses. Pop a squat and join us for this special guest episode!
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CW/TW: Mental health, ADHD, explicit language, loud noises, yelling, rambling, mouth noises, garbled speech, politics mention, propaganda discussion, bullying, depression, low self esteem, academic performance discussion
You can find more of Kayt's work at @soldraws_ on instagram and @ForbesKaytlin on twitter!
Cover art by: Krizia Perito
Theme: There Is A Dark Place
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There is a dog[inaudible] I'm JordanSpeaker 2:
And I'm Lex and I'm Kate. And this is an episode of Orland park court with a very special guests. So it's welcome here. A long time listener, big fan of you both. Well, I've got a big fan of you for how long now for like the few seconds that we've we just met. Yeah, I was wild. I was just like walking on the street outside and I saw this incredible bay and I was like the neurodivergent energy just in the sheer babe power was overwhelming and I fell over. Actually, I was so overwhelmed. I was so worried. I brushed her and I was like, are you okay? And our eyes met and then connection made. I know it was really beautiful. And then you hopped on a zoom with me to tell you about your new found love. Yeah. So we could record an episode of the podcast that we allegedly do have. Yeah. I just learned that roommate, by the way, let me introduce you to, you have never met or heard of we'll just say definitely have never met. Definitely don't know that y'all are childhood friends at all. That's not the case. I had no know that you were a wildly talented artists. It's just, it was all through that connection. That first eye connection, no thoughts, no speech. Just vibes fives and be hurtful. No, and I have known each other since we were four years old and that is a bond. Oh my God. My first friend, when I moved to Washington, probably just my first friend ever. What's I mean, to be fair. All of my friends before I moved to Washington were cats. So you're my first human friends. And also for context for this podcast, this is Caitlin Forbes. She is an incredibly talented artist and animator. You might have seen her around the Twitter sphere doing kick-ass things. And do you want to talk a little bit about your art and why you're on the podcast today? Uh, yeah, sure. So I am going to school currently for an animation degree. Um, but I just always been on social media, just posting, whatever fan art. I can't have literally anything to get myself just a little bit, just a little foot in the door. Really just passionate animator, graphic designer, uh, character designer, illustrator, just really anything. I just love making art. Um, and I'm on here today. Not to talk about ADHD because I don't have ADHD, but I have something else. Yeah. We're like brainwork cousin, very close. It's still a, a, a learning disability of sorts. It dyslexia and dyscalculia, but mostly dyslexia. Um, oh, okay, cool. You can stay. I was going to say after, after what? 24 years at this point. No, God, that would make us like 28 after 22. Don't donate just too much now. Oh, also additional context. So just so people don't think that I'm just being like, mean I have met Katelyn. Oh yeah. We are also friends. I'm just, I'm just still in Chicago and they get to go have fun in Washington. So we have a little zoom call going, but I just wanted to add a little bit because I, I know that Kate is, is dyslexic and doesn't have ADHD. I just really need to everyone to understand that was for a bit, Hey, Hey audience. Hey friends. That was for a bit. Okay. Joke words for the podcast. I love her so much. You're so great. No, we are friends, so yeah. Yeah. Welcome. Glad to have ya. Um, sorry. I just wanted to pop in and say that also before we got too deep into everything. So I was like, no, that was a baby. She had completely forgot. No, just, yeah. That a big part of why I'm into art is because I am dyslexic and I have dyscalculia and it just makes it difficult to do other things. But art art was my niche. I don't have to read, I don't have to do math. I can just vibe on art and yeah, it's amazing. And you vibe so well, so well for folks tuning in who are not familiar with dyslexia and dyscalculia, can you give us like a real quick like slip and slide run of what those mean? Yeah. So dyslexia is basically, you are impaired. You have, Hmm. How's a good way to explain this, uh, reading comprehension, writing comprehension, you you're impaired basically. So when you read a sentence, sometimes words get switched or letters get switched and your eyes will see a word, but there are wires crossed in your brain that will make it so that your brain sees something different. And then you'll either say it or you write it out differently. Um, so that makes reading very hard and writing very hard. And then dyscalculia is basically dyslexia with math, which means a basic math comprehension. You just don't get it. So addition and subtraction off the top of your head, super difficult. So man, I just, my wires are super cross. I had no chance. Just it's it's just a little, little harder for me than most to read, to do math, but it's a good thing. Math is not a useful, it's not really. I mean, that's what fingers are for. What do I need to just say thing in my head? Oh, wait, it's math. The thing that you sometimes need in D and D is it that, is that math, I guess you do have to do math sometimes, but again, that's dice rolls. I guess you have to know numbers at least. So you only need to know up to 2020. Well, unless you got a big powerful hit points. If you got some good buffs in there, like math, I guess is helpful, but otherwise, no, totally not in my wheelhouse. We'll just break out the map for special. Like I only played D and D for the role-play anyway. Yeah. That's fair. Just to feel valid. Pretty Bard is basically all. Yeah, that's the life basically. What, uh, I have dyslexia and to speculate just impaired, basic reading, writing and math comprehension skills. All right. That was a very nice overview. Sorry. Was that not slippery? Once in my life, I was being genuine. That was a very clear and illuminating description of your experience. So thank you. Oh my gosh. Now is not the time to head button. My laptop, sir, sir. Hello, sir. I'm missing so much. You can like be in camera. You can not be near the laptop. Nope. Okay. Apparently that means just like, like there's a boho anyways. Sorry. Sorry. I just, all of a sudden, like it was like, so do you want to tell us a little bit about what you were studying right now? Because you're going to school for animation animation. That is my major. So I'm hoping to get some kind of minor in either character design or storyboarding. That's. What I want to go into is become a storyboard animator, which is basically the rough sub animation. So every movie you see, there is a prototype which basically tells animators how to animate the scene because storyboard artists get to what the write the script, basically what the writers say like, okay, this happens, but then storyboard artists have to create that then. And so they're the ones that basically make it before they give it to the big honchos to really buff out those skills and animate it. So it all looks nice. But uh, I want to be the creative person that doesn't do so much of the hard work, but gets to have also a hand in creating what you see on those screens. You kind of draw the cinnamon topography. Yeah. Good.$5 word there. That's good. Yeah. It was two words, but that's all one word, a tale that fins with the brain, but still made sense. You're doing better than most people. That's why we've been friends for so, sorry. I need to hydrate because it is a little warm. It is not as warm as it is in Portland where I live, which is it's hot. It's a toasty boy over there. And I have no AC because my apartment does not like apparently so ice kid, but that's disrespectful. That gives me excuse to visit you. Who has AC, right? Yes. Yeah. We are currently in Eastern Washington where it's always hot. So the one benefit of it is that we have AC the west side definitely fail. They're like we have like maybe three days of really unbearably, hot weather a year. We don't need AC. And then each year climate change is like, are you sure you're going to have, sorry, your shirt. And then the Pacific Northwest is like, no, it's fine. The trees are our air conditioning. Yeah. It's the cool ocean breeze is sitting all the way past high five. It's great. Please makes no sense. Cause there's a whole mountain range that likes host from like inward Washington, Oregon, California. So it's like, we don't that ocean breeze. No, no, no. Portland is like right there on that mountain. And it's like, you can't feel anything. The contractors, oh boy. I want to save any sense. They can so sorry. This wasn't supposed to be a very bitter about where I live or you want it to be, this is your episode. Definitely don't want it to be so better. My mother will listen to us and she'll be like, okay, you can stop complaining now. Kate's mom. Hi mom. Hello. I feel like I'm just sort of lag. Like I am a human lag right now. Huh? Oh yeah. Yeah, no, you're, you're doing great. We have probably too much concentrated power for this fruit two incredible babes just in this little tiny room. It's powerful. It's potent. It's a lots of a whole, even over zoom, you know? So I can only imagine what's happening in person have to, I can't smell anything, but I'm sure it's very fragrant. I can smell. You can feel with the heart. Wow. Let's get to heart. Smile. Classic heart scent. They're just imitating our cats. That's how our cats smell things. Mouths open like weird little stuff. Yeah. You can't smell when you breathe through your mouth. So I'm just like, you can breathe. You can smell with your mouth. There we go. That's how that works. Okay. All right. I'm just going to be giggling this entire. It's wonderful. You have a delight. It sustains me. There's gonna be a lot of it. You, you make me giggle. Y'all are so cute. I feel like I'm watching a TV show. Cause it's just me. And I'm just sorta like watching. Y'all just like chilling and I'm like, oh yeah, I have, I have to contribute. I have a cohost. So amazing. You're holding down the Fort. Yeah. And that's not normally my role literally looking at each other thing and not any words. Yeah. But like as bad audio is that is, I wouldn't want to take that away from y'all. You know what I mean? Yeah. So on the note of podcasts though. Oh yeah. Right. That thing. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. So you, you were talking a little bit about how your dyslexia and just calculate this calculator. So yeah. It's a word how they affected your choice to kind of like just vibe and lean into art, but like how, if at all, do the, having those affect your process and your art and the way that you interact with other art and artists? Oh, that's a good question. I would say cute, but Jordan wrote them. Here we go. You rent it out. So, so well team effort. Thank you. Fair. I don't know a whole lot of other artists that are, that have dyslexia. I don't know. A whole lot of people have dyslexia weirdly enough of not in my circle. I just know it affected me just because with my growing up with dyslexia, dyscalculia school was super hard and that whole school environment very, very hard. And there was sort of like a toxic mentality behind that, where I grew up thinking I was stupid because there wasn't any, I didn't go to schools that really had the, had the tools to help me with it saying, oh, she has dyslexia. It was either I have special needs, which I didn't, but I went to classes for it. Or I'm an idiot, which is where teachers led to. And so I grew up with this mentality that, okay, I'm an idiot, there's no choice. And there wasn't like a why. It was just when you're 10 years old and every single teacher pretty much treats you. Like, you're an idiot. That's your world. You grow up and that's your truth. And so I didn't question it ever. And so as an outlet, I found that art was where I could escape to mostly I got it from watching TV and seeing creators world bed and tell stories. And I fell in love with that. I grew in Namor. I was like, this is something amazing. And I don't have to read anything because I'm just watching these characters like struggle and go through relationships. And I'm like, I love this. I love this world that they created and weaved and brought me into. And so I was like, I want to do that. And I found I could do that because it didn't require any rating. I didn't have to spell anything. I could draw characters and make these own little worlds and tell these stories without any words, which was so, so powerful for a ten-year-old like, oh my gosh, like the power and confidence that gave me Lou, my worlds open. And so I fell into art and I was like, this is something I can be good at because I wasn't going to be good at sports. I'm not an athletic kid. And I wasn't going to have good grades. And I was like, there's nothing I can be good at. There was nothing I could brag about. And there's nothing my parents could really brag about. I love my parents to death and they are very supportive of me and really defended me so much because, uh, not to go into so much of it, but like teachers may not have told me I was stupid. They certainly acted that way around me. But they told my parents in second grade, there was this one teacher who basically, Hey, Hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go commit some murders really quick. I'll be right back. Yeah. We'll see you here in the back. That teacher's still alive after my dad got through with her. But basically during a parent teacher conference said, Hey, don't expect Katelyn to ever graduate high school. It's not going to happen. And it wasn't like your kid. I'm sorry. Second grade. I was in second grade. So 10 year long, like prediction. Yeah. Well that's how bad it kind of was just how much I struggled with it. And I didn't have any help really to like teachers help your kids and idiots basically. And it wasn't like, oh, your kid has a disability. It's going to be very hard for them to graduate school. Which is, that was what it was. It's your kids more on? There's no hope for her. And my parents immediately, they took me out of the school and they were like, how dare you? So my parents had very been like at my bat. Yeah. But so growing up, it was like, my parents were supportive of me. They know I'm not an enhancer. They grew up with you. You're not, no, it's just, I can't spell very well and reading hard for me and math. Just, I can't do it very quickly. I have to have a paper and pen or a calculator calculate all those things that we all have on our phones. Yeah. Yeah. I always open that instead of my alarm hashtag relatable content. Am I right? Sadly, you are. I said, we're done the thing where you go to like hit snooze or set an alarm and you just type the number in your calculator and then don't wait. No, absolutely not. I wanted to give something. My parents can be proud of and art. And I was actually thinking about this on the drive here. The first time I ever felt proud of my art. And the first time my mom ever like really bragged about it was when she was working through your aunt, Janet. Oh my gosh. And she was like, Caitlyn showed Janet your art. And I was like, okay. And for like a ten-year-old, that's amazing. It was a great, it was like a ten-year-old drawn, but that was good for a tenure. So like I remember a year and I was like, Caitlin is the fret, you know, the friend who can draw the only, there's only ever like one or two books from the library, like how to draw anime style. No shame that everyone starts somewhere. Honestly. Yeah. I got my start from like Naruto. So like, it's fine. Um, but can you go back to Naruto at some point? Can we revisit that together? Yeah, absolutely. I definitely, yeah. I would read the manga and I would copy the stuff. Amazing. Yeah. I just really wanted to be sauce gay when I was in middle school. That's so valid. That's yeah. I didn't want to be sorry. What a, what a great yes. And on my part, that's so valid. Thanks. It's really good. Podcasting. You can tell that we have not done this in a hot minute. That's okay. We're we're rolling into it, but yeah, that was, uh, you know, that didn't answer the question about it, but okay. It doesn't have to, do you feel like you shared your time? So there we go. Well, that was part of my journey and finding that confidence to do art. And I was like, cool, this is something I can do. Something I'm proud of. And if all else fails, I'll at least have this. And then I started, so I started drawing. I started drawing and I haven't stopped since I kept drawing. And now I'm at a point where I'm increasingly like, I'm super confident in my art. And I'm like, I actually am happy to say, yeah, you should be. Well, thank you. Because I also used it as an excuse. I didn't want to fall back on, like, the only thing that I'm good at is art. And I also, for a long time, didn't want to use the excuse of, oh, I have dyslexia. That's why I can't do these things because there was that mentality that I'm an idiot that I grew up with. So when it was first introduced to me that I could have dyslexia, I was like, no, I can't like, that's an excuse. I don't want to use an excuse to justify why I can't do this thing when it wasn't an excuse. It was the reason why it was a couple of hurdles to get there. But I hate when you give an explanation, that's completely logical and reasonable and people are like, well, don't make excuses. And I'm like, it's do you know? Do you even know, like, what do you want for me? Do you want me to just say that? Like, what do you want an explanation? Like, it's what it is. Yeah. The overlap there. I think in the way people respond to ADHD as well. Exactly what it's like, no, it's a brain chemistry. I can't help what my brain does. But then there was that, that block that was like, Nope, excuse, you should be able to do what every other person is able to do. So that's the world I grew up in. I went to a private Catholic school, which is, it's not a public school. It's not a school. You have to go to you, pay to go to, you, pay a lot of money to go to. And so the school is for excellent kids. Cause they're teaching their kids how to go above and beyond. So they expect already above average kids. I'm not an above average kid. I was barely shut. Shut your mouth. As far as school center. No, I was scraping to get by because I could not the way they could teach. That was just not how I learned. And so my mom put me in that school, bless her to protect me from public school. Cause she knew I was, I'm still a soft kid, but I wasn't very soft kid growing up. Yeah. It was sensitive. So she knew I was going to get bullied at a public school. I was always bullied by teachers, but she knew I definitely would get bullied by kids because teachers would bully me. And so kids would be like, well, if the teacher can do it, we can do it. And so my mom was terrified of that. Cause you know, I also got bullied at a public school, but like that was more for just being dumb than for my personality, which going to go hit so many people after that, I'm gonna go get like some Florence, Pugh, mouth going, you know, like a little frown and I'm going to scream so much at those people. And no, it's, it's a good, I mean I wish I didn't go through it. It's made me stronger and I don't want this to be like a negative turn. Like no I'm doing great now friends that love me and it's fine. And now I know. Yeah. And I have ways to like go about dealing with my dyslexia and my dyscalculia and make me a functioning human being in society. Cause like ADHD, there's no cure there's medication. You can take to kind of just stabilize it a little bit. There's nothing like that for dyslexia. You just have it. So you have to teach yourself how to do things to make it it's different for everyone. Everyone has different ways to read well or learn subjects. So I had to teach myself what worked for me, which was a learning process in itself because no one else could teach me that. And it took a long time for me to realize, oh no, one's going to teach me this. I have to teach me this because I want to be a functioning adult. So let's do it. So what was that journey like, I guess, have you talked about it a little bit of kind of first hearing about dyslexia and being like, oh no, that's not me. So like what was your diagnosis journey and your journey of like leaning into that label? Like, yeah. So I had always knew about dyslexia, but it was never in my bubble of like, oh, that's me. I just knew it was a thing. Not necessarily what it meant. It wasn't really introduced to me till freshman year of high school when it was another parent teacher conference and the bless my English teacher, Mrs. Wilson. She was going over my English grade to my mom and being like, okay, came on Sunday and this, and then there's this. And I was just being embarrassed, you know, being 14 and being like, I'm stuck at English. And my mom was probably like my poor kid. It was kind of a moron like, and uh, but then Mrs. Wilson, she said something along the lines of Caitlin's doing bad at this, but it's okay because that's part of her dyslexia and then world full stop. Like what? And my mom was like, Kim doesn't have dyslexia. And I was like, I don't have dyslexia. And the teacher's like, oh no, you definitely have dyslexia. And both my mom and I were like, what do you mean? She's like, there's no possible way. The mistakes you're making. It's not that you're an idiot. These are very, very particular. You're mixing up words. You're mixing up certain letters with the first and last you're capitalizing your piece for whatever reason, but it's always, you're capitalizing your piece. These are dyslexia mistakes. These are not just, you're more on you can't be taught and it should have been like a breath of fresh air, but it felt so suffocating because I was like, there's that? Excuse like this teacher's finally giving me almost an out like, this is why you're doing this. This is why you're the way you are. And it felt like an excuse. And I had that toxic mentality, like no, no way. Like you're an idiot. That's just what it is. And so I brushed it on the rug. I was like, I'm not dyslexic. I just, I'm not good at this for all high school. That's what it was. I didn't grow up. So pretty good. Katelyn, second grade teacher, honestly watch your back. Caitlin. Second grade teacher, I graduated from preparatory high school. So little tiny, difficult than public, but I only graduated from public school. That doesn't mean again, it pity graduation. I'm guaranteed. But I think it's because my teachers, I was a good kid and they're like, we don't want to fail. Just cook. And who tried? I was in every single day, an hour before school and two hours after school. I was there every single day doing math homework because I could not understand math. And my teachers would see me struggling and working and just not getting it. But I was trying, it wasn't that I was lazy. It wasn't that I was stupid. Like I had an act of like, I want to do well. Yeah, I'm struggling. And uh, because it was a private school, there was no special ed classes. We didn't even have a cafeteria. It was, it's a very, there was 25 kids in my graduating class, just like four amazing kids academically. I was not so struggling, but they let me graduate. So thank you. But yeah. So for all of high school, try to sweep it under the rug and then college rolled round. And then it was no longer this thing where I had to go to school because I had to it's the law. It was the school. It was, I'm going to get an education because I want to, because I want to get a job because I want to enter society. And so then it was this mentality of like, okay, I'm going to school because I want to, I'm paying to go to school. I'm paying my parents did help. They paid for most of it. But like, it was no longer. My parents were paying for a private school. I'm now going to a community college. So do this. And I started struggling again really badly. And so I was like, okay, this can't be a thing anymore. And then that kind of little, oh, you have dyslexia. And I was like, okay, this is something I want to look into. I'm still nervous about it. I still don't want to use an excuse, but let's see. So I went to my advisor, I talked to her about it and she was like, okay, we can get you tested and see. Yup. Super have Lexia. There you go. There it is. I was like, okay, there's no cure for dyslexia. And there wasn't really anything I could do. But the relief, I felt that, okay, it's no longer an excuse that I'm using. It's now a legitimate reason why I can't do. But then I started researching everything I could about it and how I could benefit and how I could teach myself how to read and write. And like, I'm a theater kid, I'm an actor. So like, I was like, do it and using it to like read my scripts. So my mom's side, my history. So I was trying to make it fun for me as well, because reading was not fun for me. If I didn't read till I was in fifth grade till I was 10, because that was when books became fun for me. Cause it wasn't like, you know, it was like TV in your head. That was the discovery I made at fifth grade. Second grade where people learn to read, no, that was my discovery point when I was 10 years old. I still remember it. So, uh, and we'll get a little bit later into that because that's also one of your questions, but uh, I have completely mean, I was saying, so got it. So now, so now I'm doing, I know the tools, but school was still getting a little bit hard for me. And then it was at that point, I didn't know what I want to do because I was going to school to be a special educator, which is a wild concept for me to try to teach other people how to do basic English, but reading. And so I didn't feel right to me. I didn't feel like I want to be put in the position where I'm trying to teach myself alongside teaching and just did not feel right for me and no other subject felt right. And there was still a little bit that toxic mentality of you're not good enough to do anything. Yeah. So I left school for awhile for a couple of years, bounced around different places to live. We did different jobs and I still did art. Art was still a major passion, but it didn't occur to me that I can make a job out of it or a lifestyle. It was an escape. And I didn't want to take that joy away from it. Something I love to be something I'm getting paid for and then have the love of it disappear. And I didn't want to do that to art because art got me through so much. And so I was like art as a hobby, but I need to do something with my life. And I was working at this little cafe. There was no AC, it was up in the Oregon mountains. So it was a hot summer. Our ice cream machine was broken. There were customers coming in and out yelling at my poor. We had like foreign exchange, uh, workers from like Scandinavia coming over and they have broken English. So I was trying to like help them to have the customers not yell at them. And you're like yell at me instead. But that was a lot. And I broke me and I was finally like, I don't want to get this anymore, but I don't want us to, our service is like torture. It's bad. It's so bad. Like, please be nice to people who my gosh. Yeah. Like, oh my gosh, like customer service, how they treat customer service, like, oh, you've never worked a cash register before I can tell by the everything about you. It's like, it's like the energy it's, it's similar energy to like, oh, you've never been hit. Like, you know, like, oh yeah, just grow the energy all around. And then I was like, okay, I still don't want to go to school because I don't know what I want to go to school for. But I want to do something that fulfills me, brings me happiness. What is that? It's art. And I was like, you know what, let's do it. Let's give it a try. This was like, I want to say about 2018, 2019, it's 2021 right now. And I was like, let's go to school. So that coming summer, I moved to San Diego to live with some family while I saved up money. Uh, and San Diego was like a really cool, like I grew in my artistic experience, but I also was like, all right, that next fall, I am applying to a really good, I'm applying to a bunch of colleges. There was one in that I go to now that I was like really banking on. And uh, I was like, I hope I get this one because I live close to my other friend, Angie. And it will just be a great experience, but I will be happy with like, if I can get to any art college, like within a week, I got that application back and I got a$20,000 scholarship with it. I was, I cried so hard and I was like, yes. Now I can go to school with the tools I have. Cause guess what? Our college doesn't need any math. There is classes revolves around art subjects. So it's something I could be happy to work hard for. Incredible experience. How I got diagnosed with dyscalculia was actually this past fall in 2020, because my art school is a very cohort, offers 10 free therapy sessions every semester. And I didn't feel like I needed a therapy, but I was like, why not? I'll just go. I'll just talk. Like I love talking. I have no problem doing that. Might as well just get like a couple of them in because when you lose them, you were on the right podcast. There we go. So I went in and I was talking to this very nice lady. And I was just telling her about like my art journey and how I was like, grateful. Like I did art as kind of a little self-deprecating. Cause I was like, the only reason I'm doing art is because I can't do anything else. And she was like, well, what do you mean? And I was like, well, I have dyslexia. And, but that's not all of it. I also like just can't do math in general. And she's like, oh, well maybe you have dyscalculia. And I was like, oh, what can you spell that? Don't spell that they made the two hardest words and like the most disrespectful it's it's it is. Yeah, you're right. It's disrespectful. I feel offended. That's like how the fear of big words as a really, really loud word say this, this is rude. Sadists talk comedically, comedically. There is some merit. Oh yeah, no for me. But, so I had her explain it to me. It's dyslexia for math. I did not know that was a thing. And again, that like, oh, that's an excuse. That's an excuse because this sounds like a stretch. How can I have dyslexia and dyscalculia, like, come on. So I was like, let me take a test because if I can take a test, then I can prove it. And it's not just an excuse, took a test. And it's really weird. Those kinds of tests, because you go in like, this is a math test I want to do good. But also if I don't do good, that means I have the thing that I'm thinking I have. So it's like, do I do good? Do I fail? Like, what am I doing? But I was like, I'm just going to do my best. And that'll make me feel good whether I have it or not. I really do. Oh, I did. My best was awful, but it meant I had it in a way. God, my, my good excuse, my reason for it. And I was like, wow, okay. My entire childhood makes so much sense now because you need math for science and you need reading and writing for history. So like every single school subject, I've struggled on. Forget the foreign language. I can't understand English. Do you expect me to try to figure out conjugation? Conjugating? Yeah, no. So, so I remember like, I'm sorry, I'm going on so many tangents in high school during a dance, uh, my Spanish teacher was, uh, the kind of like bouncer, like the take the tickets or whatever. And she pulled me aside. She's a Caitlin. I got to talk to you about something. And I was like, this is a dance. I want to have fun. And she's like, no, this is really important. I think you'll be really happy about it. Your F went to a C minus and I cried. Head's so great. And that's how enlisting I was. But there was one teacher who was like, you're doing good and you got to listen. Like I will take any seed. That sounds awful. But that was amazing for me. I was trying my best and it was still just not connecting and it's not my fault that there are just wires in my head that are crossed. Yeah. And so I wish I had known this way back when, but thank God I had such a great family and I grew up a happy kid, a very soft but happy kid. So I don't want to say like, you know, my life would have been so much better if I had known before. I mean, it would have been easier. Don't know about better. And I'm just happy. I know it now I'm going to school for animation something. I really am passionate about something. I feel good about. I have the tools to help me get through it, get through those, uh, history papers about certain art subjects. Be able to use tips and tricks to be able to like draw and like be able to function at my normal job because my job requires a bit of subtraction and multiplication. And I'm like, okay, this is an acting job. Why do I have to do there's still that there. So I can still function as a human being. And now I have these resources and I have these excuses and I'm like, okay, we're good from here on out. Only going up. Yeah. So it's hell. It's so uplifting. It's amazing. I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for sharing too. That was so great. Yeah, of course. That's love getting to know more about you. There's a lot. It's mostly weird like Disney and Donald duck facts. That's, that's the majority of my persona. It's just the wild animation facts. And then a lot of history about Donald. I know no history about Donald, so listen, I don't want to bore you, but we can, maybe you can get to that later on. There we go. I can definitely do that. Perfect. You mentioned earlier when you were talking about teaching yourself and learning some tips and tricks and things like that, gonna share some of those with us, like what have you learned? What methods work for you? What have you discovered? So I've never read. I've never heard and there's no scientific grounding for this. This is just what I've experienced as myself. And what I've heard from the very few people I am in touch with that have dyslexia. And it's that we are very phonetic learners because it's almost like our census have to be heightened because we can't trust our eyes really to see what's in front of us because our eyes could be 2020, the wires to our brain that are messed up. And so it's almost like, you know, how blind people have a heightened sense of hearing, but that's kind of what it is. We're really good at learning phonetically, which means we're, if we hear it, we can proceed. So a lot of times when I have long scripts of dialogue to read, or I'm reading a big just science paragraph about whatever, I will copy a piece to it and then put it into a Google like translate and have it read it to, oh, I can't remember any of the websites I use, but there are websites out there that will just read for you and then perfect. So I can still get it, but I won't have to worry about my brain, like missing words or switching words and making it an absolute headache to get through so I can listen to it. And then I get, I get it. And I'm really good at like being able to process information through hearing. That's like one of the best. And I know there's a lot of dyslexic. People are phonetic learners or kinesthetic learners learns with their hands, but just not, not visual. Um, so that's like one of the best tips, like, especially for schools who are students copy and paste, whatever, like big bullets, like if you have fake, we went live in the 21st century. So like most of our stuff we have to read is online anyway, a little bit harder. Um, but audio books are, hopefully if there's an audio book of the book, you have to read it and whatever, like to kill a Mockingbird, that kind of stuff, listen to audio books. And that's why podcasts and audio books are like my best friends, because I can get my fix for storytelling through podcasts and I can get audio books for any books I have to read for school and be able to still also do other things while I'm listening. So it's just so helpful to be able to multitask if my brain is working on something in my hands or working on something. Oh, beautiful magic speaker. My language. I know that's a very big ADHD thing too though. Like be able to multitask it is I, I think I'm the opposite. Like all really, because I don't retain information if I just hear it, unless I will never eat it again. If someone's like, here's all the things you need to remember. Here's your grocery list. Here's a very important appointment. Also. Did you know that Marie Antoinette used to wear potato flowers in your hair? Guess? Which one of those pieces of information? I will remember years later. Yup. No. It's if someone's like, Hey, so can you go grab this for me right now? I still will be like, wait, okay. Let's do it one more time. Kimmy with it one more time. What is it? I just want to make sure. So you can definitely tell like, especially neurodivergent people there's like one particular thing and dyslexic people definitely phonetic learners because it's what we can rely on. It's that that's a straight path into our brain. I did not know that. That makes sense to me. Cause like, yeah, like it's not that you have a quote unquote poor vision, right? It's just, the wires are crossed. So like, even if you can see clearly you can't see clearly, like let's switch this up. Let's freestyle in a little bit. I can't do that with the Gettysburg address. I need to remember this for like, I can hear a song. I can remember all the lyrics, like the first time I hear it. And that's just for me, like some people don't, some people are way better. Some people are like less. I just know that's always worked for me, which is probably also why, like I do gravitate towards movies. Cause like the soundtracks I'm like, oh, this is great. And it like mixing all the best things that I can do. So I was like, this is, this is where I shine. I can listen to well and I can draw. I can, yeah. I don't have the best vision cause my, I wear glasses and I can't see for, but that's not. That's also, it's definitely a brain thing too. So I can't blame it on for eyesight for sure. Did you say, you can remember the lyrics to a song like the whole song? Not the whole song, but I can remember most of like the lyrics and the rhythm by just hearing it once I don't test me on this because I don't want to fail your podcast. I can nail down a melody. I can nail down like the tune, but the lyrics, I'm lucky if I can remember like one line to Google, search it later and figure out what song. Yeah, no, the amount of times that I've literally just Googled du, du, du, du, like, cause I'm like please someone else, someone else have thought the same thing about it, pop up Bubba or something. Yeah. Oh my God. Like, like, oh my gosh. So with, uh, the folks from sounds fake, but okay. I just was like, you know, the one song it's on Tik TOK a lot and everyone just sort of stared at me. I was like, you know, like the song that again, it goes, dude. I was like, I don't know. I don't know anything else. But then when I Googled it and actually enough people were allowed to that song, that's like do do, do, do, do do it. Yeah. It's a beautiful place. Sometimes it is. The singing is actually saying, do, do, do do listen. It wasn't just me. I'm listening to it and then I'll retain it and we'll be great. There we go. Perfect. That's the system we'll do that. We'll brief, but yeah. That's I think that's the major one. Math is just calculator. You're just going to have a calculator and you just got to take your time and you oh, patients. Oh my gosh. Just if I could have little Caitlyn be there and be like, you're okay. Like take a deep breath. It's not something you could fix. It's just something you have to deal with for the rest of your life. Just take a deep breath. It's okay. You're okay. You're not, you're not stupid. You're not broken. You're not any of that. If there's any little dyslexic listeners out there. No it's okay. Take a breath. You're so great. It's it's just hard and that's okay. It can be hard for people and you should not feel ashamed of it for sure. Like, it's just, yeah, you just can't do it, but you can take your time and you can work it out and you can have wonderful friends who will like read over your you're. Right. I have my, I send anything. I write to my mom or my friend to like, look over like, Hey, can you check over grammar? Because I've read this four times and my brain will just not see easy, easy spelling errors. And I'm like, can you check it? And they're like, yes. And then I'll get back. We'll put a lot of red marks and I'm like, that's, that's great. That's why I sent it to you to help me, help me along. So you just, you just need really people in your life to help you along. You still love you no matter what. And then just be patient with yourself. Sure. Absolutely. With anything, not just dyslexia, just anything. Not even like even neurodivergent related. Just love yourself. Yeah. No like I'm not little nor do I have dyslexia, but I do feel very held by you right now. Just be patient with yourself. So that's the best advice you can give. Really? Any little kid, just take a deep breath. It's okay. It's not the end of the world for this problem. And if it's a problem, that's okay. We can, we can get through it. Whether we fix it or just figure out a way how to deal with it. That's okay.[inaudible] yeah. That's those are my two big ones. Yeah, for sure. But right. Never holding a fart. Just to add my own words of wisdom. That's a good one. Don't hold on. Sneezes. Either you lose brain cells doing that rambling. Well, I lose brain cells doing a lot, so it's not add that to the list. Let those sneezes fly bibs. Just let it all out. You know, water out than in I think across the board actually with COVID now don't let the sneezes be in a little area. Use a tissue. What this means out into your mouth, into your elbow. Yeah. But like really into your elbow, don't just lift your arm up like a foot away from your face don't animals, direct your sneezes and a specific, safe location out of your body. You have to have like a fire drill. Well, and also no, like, honestly this is so gross. I'm so I can't believe I'm about to say this, but like the amount of times where I've been like, I have to sneeze so bad. I don't want to sneeze on my sleeve. I don't have any tissues and I will just fall on stick my head, like, like a turtle. I will retreat into whatever shirt or top I have on and just sneeze into that. Cause I'm like, it'll be all the cause people can't see it. If you got snot on your sleeve, that's visible. If I get snot on the inside of my sweatshirt, I can feel it. And I have to sit with that shame. And I'm not saying it's pleasant. I'm not saying that it's good or that I like it, but it's what I have done it. Can I, can I propose an alternatives? You tell me to get a hanky gross. No, I was just going to say roll up your sleeve if you sneeze on it, but then you sneeze on your bare arm. And the thing is like, I'm imagining when I sneezed, like in front of other people. And so I'm trying to a protect everybody from all of the mess, sneeze, sneeze on your sleeve and then roll it up. So then no one has to see it. Why is that better than just against your skin? I mean like it's not just like smell K. I think our bodies are different in this way because I've got like some, some big, uh, as the kids call them mommy milkers right now. And I'll wait. Um, I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. But anyway, so I got some big, some big. So like my blouses are always like, like they don't lay against my skin right. By my neck. There's like a tent effect that does, I'm like it doesn't touch my skin. And I'm like, why is this? What is our anatomy? Oh, and it's not a, it's not you. It's just, I really, we just got the Pfizer vaccine. So things have just escalated. A lot of people have been like gaining weight and especially people with boobs have been getting bigger boobs after getting the Pfizer vaccine and myself included. Like my boobs are getting bigger I think. And I'm also gaining more weight. Why did I get Johnson and Johnson? Oh, I got Medina. So I mean, I wouldn't recommend it. It's like too much. I feel like I'm being selfish at this point. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, if I could share, I would, yeah. Like I need to win a million dollars or something so I can get a boob job and give some boob to all of my friends who want some. It was that much open source, boob exchange. Please. You give hair to people in need. Yeah. No. And honestly like what I wouldn't do for them back pain, you know? Yeah. Man, if I could just like sleep on my stomach, that would be magic. Cool. See, here's the thing I do. Just sleep on my stomach. Boobs. The damned I don't know how I sleep. I just sort of like get tired enough that I have. So anyways, thank you so much for coming on our podcast. I'm very sorry. I'm here. I, I love it. So I think my next question was going to be like, what advice do you have for people who want to work with someone with dyslexia? But I feel like you've answered that pretty well too. Yeah. Like home run active out of the whole park. Like just knocked it way out. Sorry. I don't know. Why are you planning? If you can be one thing you should be efficient. That's the same one of the sayings and letter Kenny. And I think it's true. I agree. Yeah. I have a question for you that may sort of like segue us a little bit into a trampoline full of dopamine. Yeah. But what is at least right now? Cause I know this is probably a big question. So you don't have to like say the end all be all, but what is your favorite animated movie show series? Like whatever, like what's your favorite uh, piece of animated artwork will say, oh my favorite, like right now it doesn't have to be like your end all be all. Because again, I know that's a big question and I don't probably depends on like what genre and what like sort of medium, whether it's like TV or a movie. But I was just curious, just like in general or like what like, are you vibing with anything like right now, right now, literally every single Disney Pixar movie that they're really saying is phenomenal. Um, I'm going to tweak that question a little bit with an answer. Absolutely. Yeah. Tweak away, um, a serious, that meant so much to me growing up and what actually sparked my, my following on Tumblr and Instagram art-wise was a series about a dyslexic kid. Percy Jackson. I did not know this. Yeah. So that I know this and I forgot, I maybe knew this, that book came out when I was 10 when I started loving books. And that was one of the books that helped me read one line. That reading was actually fun despite the difficulties like, oh, there's a story. But it also was about this kid, spoiler alert for Percy Jackson. Uh, but I don't know, like, does anyone not know the premise of Percy Jackson and our generation? No, there's no way, but for people who don't know what the series is about, it's about if you don't that's okay too, right? It's about a kid who has ADHD and dyslexia. And the reason why he has this is because he is a demigod, which is half human and half Greek God. And the book series follows this 12 year old kid who starts off going through life, just awful at school. And he gets bullied by teachers and bullied by other kids because of just how much he gets in trouble. And he just doesn't focus in class. And he has a really supportive mom who loves him despite that. But there are just real life troubles that he goes through. And then add that all with like the plot of the book with like the God's side of it, uh, where life gets really rough and like there's whole lot of like God's at work and whatever. And you follow this kid who goes through all these trials and tribulations despite his disabilities. And he's amazing. And you fall in love with his story and you fall in love with his character arc. And you're just half debated by this and for a ten-year-old who has dyslexia, who is bad at school. Who's had teachers give up on her who has a supportive family, but that's just always not enough to get past that barrier of that. Self-love self deprecating where there's just like, there's no hope. And you're like, I want to be amazing, but I can't be because there's these disabilities and you read that first book and you're like, this kid's amazing, but he has ADHD. He has dyslexia. He's just like me. And at the time I didn't make the connection like that. I had dyslexia, same, same, like with ADHD, but like, yes, yeah. Fell in love with this character. And I fell into the series and I was like, I can relate to this. And that's how I got popular on tumbler. And Instagram was all the Percy Jackson fan art that I drew throughout middle school, throughout high school following these books. But that was a series that meant so much to me as a kid. And like now there's like a TV series coming out and there's the book series. Like whatever, like I won't say anything about the author because sometimes it was a little problematic with his recent work, but those original five books changed my life and that's a serious, it's special to me. And especially the Lummi and special, the big me too, because like I got my art start from drawing, Percy Jackson, fan art. And that's how I got popular. I say with quotation marks, like that's how I got recognized and met a lot of my art friends through the span art that I did of the series. And that is one that's, uh, it has a special place in my heart. Just this little kid who's just he's struggling, but oh boy. You're you're with them through the struggles. Yeah. On that note, curiosity, just sorta like, oh, if you had a, if you found out that you were going to attend camp, half-blood the camps that they get sent to where they sort of find out, you know, without the whole like, Hey, you know how your ADHD and you have dyslexia psych it's because you're half God like, which like the confidence boost. Right. But also which, who do you think your godly parent is? If you were in that situation? Yeah. Hi, between Apollo art, art kids or Demeter. I grew up as a farm kid. I was raised on animals to affair. We did so much for H stuff we did. I went to the fair with you. We're always staying there. Cause you had an animal cooking demo. I got the cooking demo. I still have those milkshake in our house. Sweet Kate, have we talked about this? I also did four H my family also has a farm. Yeah. My family has like 300 acres of fruit, but then my other uncle has like cattle and sheep and goats and pigs. So I like showed a calf once, but I mostly showed my bunny. Yeah. Those are the two I haven't done. So that's a, that's amazing. Yeah. I, yeah. So like very different part of the country. Well, yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Apollo or Demeter the school. Yeah. Whichever one. Speaking of really kick-ass stories. Are you working on anything right now? Yes. So promotion promotion, we're doing a promotion. This is very sweet of you to mention. I am working on a podcast right now. Uh, the first series, uh, just to give a little tidbit is called the Angela diaries. And, uh, I was planning on releasing it by the end of the summer, but it looks like I'm just going to have to push it back a little towards fall, but it's going to be like a 12 part episode, just following the life of a girl in Portland. And, um, some serious things are happening in her apartment building. And, uh, this is, uh, it's placed in 19 89, 19 89, Portland. This town going to school doesn't know what for yet. It's totally not based on my life at all for weird things that have happened to be in my apartment. It's totally fine. Yeah, it's fine. But some things are, uh, not as what they seem, so yeah, it's called the Angela diaries and at some point I'll have a release date. So in the process of writing episodes, but you may hear some familiar voices from Lexar Jordan in the coming episodes, but not that one. Please let it be that actually the most serious thing that's been happening in there, sugar, the neighbors, right. There we go. Yeah. Well, awesome. Thank you so much for sharing that. Um, I'm sure that when it comes out, we will be sharing a retweet me and a bunch of stuff so that y'all at home can tune into that as well. And also, I don't think you need to worry about it being a little late or having to like push some dates. Oh no. It's kind of surprising that we still have a podcast. I think whenever we we're releasing new episodes, so like you're good. I'm sure it's fine. It's something in the works that I'm really excited about because I learned how to do audio stuff for schools. Why not? But why not? Why not the dyslexia that's stopping me from yeah. That's the audio media. I'll be at this. I'm the main character talking anyway. Yes. Best way to look at the world through main characters, basically. Um, mood, you know what else is like fun to project onto. It's fun to just Astro project, your way onto a trampoline. Yes. I said I'd segue. I didn't say it'd be good. I'd say it'd be a good, good segue. And I appreciate it. I loved it. It was so great. It was so effortless. Just smooth. Thank you for hyping. Everything we're doing and saying that's this really making me feel bigger than my boots. Yeah, we're great. That's what I'm here for. Just because you are the guest this week. No, you guys go for us. Do you want to, do you want to see how it, how it feels? How it goes? Go first and I'll, I'll close it. Okay. Okay. I get that. I can respect that. We can do that, Lex. What do you got? I know I segue this year. Wasn't ready. I am ready. Okay. So I have been reading oh, for hold for gas. I have been reading a real book, which I haven't done in like literally months. I've been reading now. Hold on, hold tight, buckle up folks. I've been reading green lights by Matthew McConaughey.[inaudible] Matthew McConaughey is autobiography. And my partner got it for me for Valentine's day this year, because I really like Matthew McConaughey. And I was like, you know, I bet he's lived a really weird and wild life. I would love to read that out of biography. And so here we are several months later reading the autobiography. And let me tell you, I am thoroughly enjoying it. I am like laughing out loud at parts. I literally have said like out loud, what the? I'm only probably like a third of the way through. So like I'm not that far, but like the things that I'm learning about this celebrity from Texas, let me tell ya, like, did y'all know, did y'all did y'all know Matthew McConaughey did payoti in a cage with a lion, like a mountain lion in the cage with him. And he did payoti in the cage and the mountain lion also do pairings unclear. It was one sentence and he has not revisited any part of it. I'm still hoping that he will, but that is like, he just soul. It did it in a little, like little like Oxford comma then added that on sort of thing. And like a like about me sort of thing within the first couple of pages, I will pepper in the fact that I did pay, he was a mountain lion. Yeah. In a locked cage with the mountain lion. Like you would just like gave us a lovely little like mummies and then like leave us wanting the whole meal. But just being like, no, we're going on to something else now. Yeah. And like, obviously, you know, like he's a professor at UT Austin now and like, yeah, he has been for awhile and he's like one of their professors in film or something. I don't know if he's like, not adjunct, but like adjunct, but paid way better, I think is probably sort of the vibe because he obviously has other stuff that he's working on. I think also there was talk of him wanting to run for governor of Texas, which I really hope he doesn't do that. Cause I don't like that at all. No thank you. But this book is wild and I love it and I will keep you all updated if it gets like bad or better. Right. But like, as of now I have thoroughly enjoyed this, this dude's life story so far, it's just weird. He just like, does things like, he just talks his way into things, gets his way into things. And like, I will say from my perspective, I understand that like he's a white dude. And so like from that angle, he has not faced a lot of challenges. Like he was the antagonist in the newer, Texas chainsaw massacre, which I didn't know. Cause I've never seen the new one. He was supposed to play some other character that like barely talks and is in like two scenes. And then he was like recommending people for that to like the, um, casting director. And he's like, actually, can I just start issuing for that one? And they were like, I mean, you don't have any women to read with you here. And then like the secretary was like, I guess I'll do it. And he like scared her so bad. She started crying. Oh my God. I know. And so then he got to be the antagonist Mike. So like he's really good at everything he does. And he just kind of like, does things like, you just kind of speak into existence. And I do vibe with that personally because I do also sorta just like show up and do things and I'm like, yeah, I'm here. I can do it. God. What a wild wild man. Can you imagine that Todd, by Matthew, just like sitting in class and it's Matthew McConaughey and he's teaching about Phil and you're just like, I'm not gonna retain any information. Cause this is Matthew because the thing is, I was like seeing him and stuff like, like true detective I'm like, oh, okay. I get it. I see, I see why you are teaching this. I see why you are, you know, in here. But also you're like in your fifties or sixties, I don't know how old they are. These is fifties, maybe forties. I don't know. But he's hot and he's still so hot. I'm 51 years old. According to Google. Wow. Yeah, no, I had no idea. Buckwild. Yeah. Please tell us more. Once you learn more, it's just wild facts about this man. That's uh, his improved the all right. All right. All right. It was a line. He improvised for his character and dazed and confused, which like the director just liked him and they just five. So he got a bigger, like that part became bigger in crew was written more like into more scenes because the director just was like, I like the students vibe. I've never been in a movie before, but I liked him. Nice. Okay. Yeah. So the journey. Yeah. So that's my duty full long winded. Sorry, Matthew McConaughey. It's a lot of life there does that gave me a serotonin for sure. Trampoline. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I meant to say I'm jumping along, read along with you, but uh, Ooh. I like tramping. Meaning better start using that time to bounce. Okay. So my dopamine trampoline this week is a long time love of mine. That it's me. I do love you very much, but no, that's fine. A longer time love of mine actually. And it is a website index that serves a very important purpose of indexing, the different carpet patterns of airports cross our beautiful globe. It's called carpets for airports and it's PARP it's for airports.com. You can click on all of the different carpets around the globe that are indexed and there's a photo of it. So you can see what they're talking about. And there is a description written by a carpet enthusiast. I did it to the carpets for airports index all around the world. There are hundreds of carpets on this website. Have you submitted anything I have yet to, I fair think that the Pascoe report has new carpets though. So I shouldn't take care of that one. Yeah, there we go. Slab of carpet down from like the home improvement dumpster, like just like go grab one, throw it on the floor. Are they like art piece galleries where they have like a description of like make and model. And actually it's a very artistic tape on it. It's kind of the emotional story of the carpet. And I'll give you a little bit of background and then I'll, I'll share some of these with you. It was started by a journalist named George Pendell. Okay. Who just traveled a lot from being a journalist and spent a lot of time looking at carpets. I think it was a flight from Newark to London that really inspired him. It got delayed and he spent so long looking at the carpet. His quote was patterns lucked out at me, hidden messages whispered in my ear. By the time I boarded my plane, I was a changed man. Yeah, bro. I've popped edibles before a flight before, too. So yeah, after this, you launched carpets for ports.com in 2009. And you know, he processes all of the submissions that people send in. Cause this is a crowdsource thing. He maintains the site, but it is for the most part, just carpets. Like if there's other Loring, there's actually a tile description that I will share with you later. That is quite cutting. But he asked why it was just carpets and why not include wood or tiled floors Pendle replied who could explain the evil that men do. Cool. George Georgie. Okay. Hey, okay. What does this man know morning? Hey, what secrets did that carpet whisper though? Things that I don't know if I'd survive. Yeah. Wow. I want to try though right listening to him. They're very, they're very, they're beautiful. People put a lot of effort into this. I love it. Like here's the description of carpet from the San Jose international airport by a user named Chris Dames. Uh, two acres. Yeah. Hey Chris, a two tone cream and chocolate flat leave. SJC is suggested of a half drunk cup of coffee cooling at the end of an unsuccessful day of selling insurance door to door. One can almost sense the loneliness and frustration seeping out from it. It is a carpet that fails to achieve greatness. This is obsessed by it. Okay. Okay, Chris, you could have been a little nicer to the carpet. Just the flavor of it. It's like I'm there in the airport. Very, very detailed. I definitely feel like I'm there, but I am feeling a little defensive for that carpet. You know what I mean? I never been, I don't know what it looks like, but I'm a little like, Hey, Hey, let the carpet live. I'll share the picture. I'll make sure it gets on the Twitter. It's it's very accurate. Like I said, there is a very cutting tile description that is from the America of S Fuji airport in Florence. And it reads, of course, that's what they named their report. They sure did. For context from class, this is basically marble tile and it says, and it says the Italian conspiracy against carpeted airport floors continues at FLR. What are we to make of the Italians? How can a country that is renowned for its love of the central pleasures prove so lacking. When it comes to airport carpeting, I was like, got something to do with the mother thing. Uh, and I'll, I'll actually let you guys get, who wrote that? Oh, just like a random, we just guess a name or guess a famous person you wouldn't expect to be who wrote this? Danny DeVito. God, I wish. Um, no, he'd be nicer. Yeah. Especially two Italians. Probably. I don't know. I've uh, who's that? You know what? I'm just Jimmy Kimmel, Liam Neeson. It was Hugh dancey, dancey, dancey. It's a title. It's okay. It's easier to clean work hard, but she certainly, she is a major contributor to carpets for books. Cause I guess he travels a lot for at what's what? The mother things, you got something to talk about? Where do we have some beef with the Italians? God, I wish I wish they were real. That's what hurts you? Whew. The Italians, I guess apparently he was traveling and like so focused on the carpet that he actually got pulled aside and questioned as a potential terrorist. Cause they were like, you are way to attempt it in this airport. But yeah, it's an index of airport carpets by people who are very passionate about airport carpet. I'm sorry. How attentive do you have to be? To be more attentive in an airport? Like my head is on a swivel in the airport. Who, oh, where are you taking a detailed photographs of the carpet? Well like what purpose and what world do you see that in your like terrorism? Like what? The school yard like home monitor of police. Yeah, basically. But then who's like, you're being too attentive. You're too on your guard. Hey, I see you're on your a game. Cut that out. Like what do you want? You want us to move quickly through TSA? Choose one. You can't have both. Usually that section's tiled though. So they're like pay attention to the tile, not the carpet, the carpet they know, they know it's full of secrets, I guess. I guess whatever, whatever secrets were whispered, they're trying to get it all. That's the next big conspiracy, but enough about me. What is your dopamine trample? Nothing about you in there. Just the fact that you love this carpet website and that speaks, that does speak volumes about you. Exactly. But I will say I could, I could hear more about you. Like for much longer. I want to know. Got it. We'll talk like we will, but I think right now my mother is texting me saying, oh, you need to be right now. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yes. I guess really fast than my, my dopamine trampoline is just the abundant amount of Donald duck lore that I'm familiar with. Incredible. Well, I have an entire about 12 pages worth of Donald duck facts on my phone, which I will not read all of them to you, but it's amazing. I mean, if you read them out loud, we probably would stop paying attention because we talked about this. I was you adoringly the whole time. Absolutely. I would be pretending to pay attention so hard. Listen, I'm a ham. I love the attention. So I will gladly take it. I'll try to make this as interesting as possible. So did you guys know that Donald candidly joined the Navy and like he's an actual military Sergeant? Like he is, he's not only a mascot. Like he's got awards. He was all like in about, I want to say seven military films for propaganda for world war two, as well as just like Scott for like literally so many fighter squadrons and like bombardment, squadrons. I actually knew this one, but that's because I was a European history major in college. And so we did talk a lot about propaganda and Donald Duck's name was brought up. Yeah. Like for Dom's 50th birthday celebration during the 25th annual Torrens, California armed forces day parade, the yours army officially retired Donald duck with active duty as a buck surgeon. That's right. My boy is a decorated officer buck, Sergeant duck, which isn't a supervisory rate, but it's the equivalent of a specialist and a senior airman. So like the only veteran I stand like amazing Sergeant, although, although I'm a cab does apply a cab does apply to Donald. Yeah. Okay. But it does though. Beautiful day and you are a terrible buck Sergeant deck. It's fine. He's no longer there. Um, so I'll just do some really quick fun facts. Yes. Donald Duck's full name is Donald flaunt. Ellroy duck. What's amazing. Like in another fun little fact Mickey mouse, his full name is Michael Theodore mouse. And like, okay, what is what these rich white boy names? Like my boy goofy can't even afford a middle. I was like putting a child through school while not having a college education. And both Donald and Mickey book have full ridiculous names. But anyway, yeah. And Donald's got rich relatives. He doesn't get a sense of it, but he's got rich relatives. Donald ducks, a cannon birthday is March 13th, which is a Friday. He was born on a Friday, the 13th. So that's a high seas shut up. That explains a lot. That's so good. I never thought I rounded that to the list later. Donald is candidly blue, green colorblind. Yeah. This has made evident in one of the war propaganda shorts. Donald gets drafted when Donald was getting tested to see if he's eligible to serve the Navy. And he mistakes a blue card for a green card, but they let them in anyway. Cause he's a good boy. Um, but it's yeah. Later confirmed by busy, uh, animators that like Yankees would read. Let's see how far the corruption goes. And like, there's just, you know, typical, he like goes to therapy for his anger management and he's like, I'm just, I adore with all my heart. And I get a lot of serotonin from thinking about Donald duck and getting little Donald duck like statues and uh, plus cheese, which is from like this new one because it makes me happy. That's amazing. I'm more of a goofy gal myself, but no power to you. Absolutely. The goofy movie I will say is one of the best original director movie. It blew my mind that entire soundtrack. Like did I tell you? Oh my gosh, the director of the duke, Kevin Lima retreated. One of my tweets. Holy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Kevin Levens. The director of the gifting to be any retweeted. One of my tweets about the goofy movie and I felt like bestowed so much. I just felt like, oh Kevin call, call a girl needs some animators. Do you need to have calves? Hey, our dear friend, Cassie. And then he's in 60 years old, you know, we don't know him. I don't know him, but, but he's yet. Come on, Kev, Kev come through. But yeah, that's my dopamine trampoline. My tramp. Yeah. Sorry. I said a cab about your dopamine trampoline, but I do stand by it. It took me awhile to figure this out. Now he went through therapy. Yeah. He's good. Yeah. He's there. It's okay. I think he probably commits a few war crimes in kingdom hearts, but I don't know if that's like, does it, I don't know, like a nominate. It's pretty chill. Right? She's pretty chill. What's the second one. Okay. And she's only in there for like a minute. They fridged their own character. Anyways. Thank you so much for sharing your trampoline. Yeah, that was great. We'll have to like get together and watch like a goofy movie and other chill Disney things. The next time I'm over there a you're here. Like whatever. Yes, yes, please. I love seeing my babes for sure. We love you so much. Thank you so much for coming onto our show. It's an art and your journey. And I hope that I gave a little insight on dyslexia and maybe if someone listening to this says dyslexia or may think like, I don't understand this. Like, Hey, maybe you might have dyslexia get tested. See. And if you do, then there are steps to take. Yeah. Yeah. Find yourself. That's my biggest thing. As always, none of us are doctors or therapists or any sort of licensed technician. We can't tell you what to do with your brain or your body. But if you do have questions about lived experience with ADHD or dyslexia or dyscalculia, feel free to reach out to us or now Kate. Yeah. Well we do all the sign off. Do you want to tell everybody where they can find you and your fabulous art? 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Are we blowing minds? Wow. I thought it was like a Muppet situation where like Donald duck played Scrooge and I help you out is wrong. Not that you can, you, can you wait like a minute until the podcast is over fun? I love her, but she has been up my probably cause you've been gone. So she doesn't have anyone to bother like all day, every day. So she has been very like this week. She's just been like a goblin, but okay. Uh, oh, I was going to say like, I don't really have a favorite Donald duck, but I do have a favorite goofy and it's like the goofy costume and the fountain while nobody by Mitski plays in the band. I appreciate you so much. Don't we all just feel like goofy, goofy. Don't we all just feel like goofy, floating in a pool, listening to our hot girl, summer depression mix, which is just nobody by Mitski on repeat. Yeah, definitely. All right. Well we got to go do to go do some hot girl. SoSpeaker 1: